Air Filter BX23S Donaldson

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I picked up an air filter for my BX23S from my local Kubota Dealer. I was surprised to see "Donaldson" P822606. The oil filter, transmission filter came in a Kubota box, but not the air filter. Did my dealer sell me an after market filter?

Thanks, Les.
 

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I picked up an air filter for my BX23S from my local Kubota Dealer. I was surprised to see "Donaldson" P822606. The oil filter, transmission filter came in a Kubota box, but not the air filter. Did my dealer sell me an after market filter?

Thanks, Les.
Yep exactly!
Now is it a bad filter, nope, Donaldson is a good company.
It could be a supplier issue, where they can't get the Kubota filters, so they do the next best thing.
 

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Thank you for your comments. I felt a little taken back when I saw Donaldson on the filter. Paying a premium price for a non Kubota part from a Kubota dealer. Didn't sit well.

Thanks again.
Les.
 

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I just checked the spare for my BX, Kubota sticker on the box, Fleetgard inside.
 

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Thank you for your comments. I felt a little taken back when I saw Donaldson on the filter. Paying a premium price for a non Kubota part from a Kubota dealer. Didn't sit well.

Thanks again.
Les.
Kubota wouldn’t have made the filter in the Kubota box anyway. Donaldson or another filter company would have made it. Most OEM filters of any type for any manufacturer are usually made by another vendor for them.
 

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Kubota wouldn’t have made the filter in the Kubota box anyway. Donaldson or another filter company would have made it. Most OEM filters of any type for any manufacturer are ALWAYS made by another vendor for them.
Fixed it for you. No OEM makes filters of any kind. All made by third party suppliers and boxed appropriately.

I suspect Kubota branded filters are Donaldson (air) and Wix of Fram (oil and hydraulic.

Back when I hauled steel for a processor, I used to regularly deliver to a place on the west side of Cleveland that made oil filters. I used to watch them come off the line. Was amazing how the can color changed and the printing and logo changed on the can without the machine ever slowing down. White to green to pink to orange to blue and all the same filter inside.

After that, I quit paying a premium price for for OEM branded filters and started buying the least expensive generic filters I could get. Lesson learned for me.

Your mileage may vary but I know what my mileage is......
 

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Yup kinda like oil.

Comes from an outside vendor.

BUT....just because it comes from "X" company doesn't mean that it's identical to the cheaper ones you can get at Wal-Mart's or any other of the outside suppliers that sell the brand that makes the filters/oil for Kubota to their specifications.

That same size Donaldson BX filter also fits some Kawasaki stuff, it's actually a common sized filter. I can't remember-but one application that we sold/sell also has a prefilter specified for it. If I can remember the number and application I'll post it up. Whether it fits in a Kubota airbox is a different story.
 

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Could be all wet but I think Donaldson makes the Kubota air boxes. I do know both of mine (M series) say 'Donaldson' on them.
 

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I think you need to watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMrI791m-pU
Let me say that video is 99% phooey... Here is why..

1. I run the cheapest OIL filters I can buy on both my machines. Been running STP filters from Autozone $1.99 on sale, buy them in quantity usually. I run premium oil, in my case Rotella 5-40 T6 Synthetic. I use both my machines hard as in farming. Neither tractor is a 'hobby' tractor, they both work at their design limits, why I have what I have. The only time an oil filter will go on bypass or plug is lack of maintenance or fatal engine failure as in something comes apart inside and the shrapnel makes it to the filter and then it's moot anyway because the engine is toast.

I do an oil analysis on every change and I change my oil according to what that analysis tells me, in my case every fall, irregardless of engine hours. That analysis tells me the rate of depletion of the additive package as well as the suspended solids (combustion by-products), viscosity index and a bunch of other important factors. Oil analysis don't lie. Having said that I do change the drivetrain lubricants and FWA lubricant on the recommended change intervals (I do an analysis on that as well and I'm always within recomended depletion level (additive package / viscosity and suspended solids at the recommended change intervals. Having said that, I do use Kubota branded Hydraulic filters always (more on that later....)

2. The case is inconsequential on an oil filter because the oil pressure developed don't ever exceed the design limits of ANY filter and on all filters (OIL) the case head is roll crimped to the body, all made that way. Even the cheapest filters will have a bypass spring inside if they are bypass filters, my cheapo STP filters have it, I look. Sealing rings don't need to be 'soft' they need to seal against the filter boss and thats it. Hard or soft is not a factor, seal ability is.

3. On both my machines the oil filters are on the right side of the block, under the fuel filter, not underneath. Having never owned anything but M's, cannot comment about filter placement but on my machines, damaging the filters would be impossible. Hard enough to remove them as it is...

4. On fuel filters, I look at the micron pass specification, not the brand. I run Wix commercial fuel filters, 5 micron pass rated. If anything gets past the primary filter the phenolic secondary filter will catch it and as a matter of consequence, I've never had anything in my secondary filter and that includes water but then I'm particular about fuel. I fill my tractors from a bulk tank and my fuel supplier pre treats the fuel before he fills it. Same fuel that powers my diesel standby genny. No 5 gallon cans to fill with here.

Both tractors have a bit over 1500 hours on them with no lubrication or fuel issues and no filtration failures. Thats all at rated load, no babying them here. I'm in the farming business. Not a hobby. I work them. Why I bought what I did (other than I'm color blind as this is Deere country and I take some razzing about them once in a while)....

5. Finally, a while ago I tried Messics online for filters and they sent me the wrong hydraulic filters, the ones they sent me fit and I put them on only to discover later that the filters they sent me didn't have the flow rating my M's require. Went to my local dealer, got the right ones and installed them. Lesson learned, get them from your dealer and not online. and Messic's prices were no better than my local dealer other than they were tax free which in my case is moot anyway because I'm exempt on ag purchases anyway. No tax on tractor related items or implements.

On oil filters, I consider an oil filter a secondary line of defense. The filter filters the lubricating oil but if you use high quality oil the only thing the filter does it marginally filter it. Small engines (lawnmower engines), most don't have a filter and they run hotter and turn more rpm than a diesel tractor does and they don't fail from lubrication issues unless they come apart, which is rare.

Don't buy into that phooey. What you see online in some dissertation may be factual but in the real world it may not be. In my case, it's not.

Your mileage may vary, but I know what my mileage is because I depend on my units to make a living with.

No hobby here. Just hard, proper maintenance and careful tracking of lubricant life. Another reason why I run Rotella engine oil, Spirax GL5 85-90 gear oil and Chevron All weather THF synthetic hydraulic oil. I read the specifications and disregard the cost.

The Internet is an interesting place but the facts presented may not always be actual facts. In the case of Messics it in their best interest to push Kubota branded products, after all, they are a Kubota dealer (and other lines).

My opinion and I stand by it from actual experience.
 

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SidecarFlip, how many times do you tell us "... I use both my machines hard as in farming. Neither tractor is a 'hobby' tractor..."? That statement seems to be in every post you make, usually more than once.

Does that add to your credibility?
 

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SidecarFlip, how many times do you tell us "... I use both my machines hard as in farming. Neither tractor is a 'hobby' tractor..."? That statement seems to be in every post you make, usually more than once.

Does that add to your credibility?

If it does or not is immaterial. I stated that in response to the filter dissertation that was posted. Nothing more. Filters not withstanding, timely service and quality fluids are paramount to longevity.

How I approach service on my machines is germane to their life.

I have no credibility on here, just a farmer with orange tractors and lots of hours on them. Got my eye on a 90 horse JD utility tractor with cab and FWA.

Learned a long time ago that just changing fluids is half the equation. The other half is documenting the fluid's life and seeing what is happening inside the engine you cannot see until it breaks. I do that with every big engine I own.

I fully expect both of my units to exceed 5000 hours without any major issues and at my age I won't see 5000 hours on either.
 

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I only use my BX to cut the grass/plow snow and dig stumps.

Am I a hobby guy?

I hope not I have too many hobbies as it is


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How much do you rely upon your tractors?
Very much. Without my prime movers, I'm out of business. Sure I can borrow a tractor from my dealer if I need one but the inconvenience of a field breakdown can be very costly for me. I'm on a schedule predicated by my hay customers and they don't care if I'm having issues, they want their hay and all they care about.

I have one large customer that takes 95% of everything I run and he's excellent pay so I cater to him all the time. It's business.

Took me a while to develop that relationship. I run them, rounds and he puts his trailers in the field, I load them and off they go. Why I make sure I'm running late model equipment all the time, except for the tractors of course.

I typically run a couple hundred rounds a cut and they vanish as soon as they are rolled. Never quibbles on price, he has a feedlot operation and cattle always are eating.

One thing it took a while for me to learn with hay is that horse people are the worst to deal with (I have a NH 575 high capacity square baler as well that sits most of the time). Horse people want prime hay but want to pay a low ball price and then they have all kind of excuses for not paying. Been stiffed more than once. Toward the end I got to the point that you want it, come get it out of the barn but you pay up front. That is a non issue now. My customer is as good as gold, pays me yearly before December 30th.

I should sell the 575 but I do contract wheat straw bales off and on for the local road board.

Year before last I ran wheat straw on a combined field with nice straight windrows a half mile long. Baled 5000 squares in one day, all I did was keep the twine box full and the tractor (used the 105) full of diesel. I got 75 cents a bale cash. Was a good day. They came in and loaded it all on semi trailers, I touched nothing. Factoring in fuel, twine, my lunch and time, I cleared around 3 grand before depreciation. Not bad for 10 hours work in an air conditioned cab with the CD playing. Don't happen every year but when it does, I have the equipment to do it.

My wife raises draft horses and she wants squares in addition to rounds so she gets a hundred every year and 40 rounds. Happy wife is a happy life.

I have notes to pay, just like any farmer but I try to keep them minimal. Don't want a tractor payment so I maintain them. Was bad enough buying them both back in 2000 but both are free and clear and have been for a while now.
 

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I only use my BX to cut the grass/plow snow and dig stumps.

Am I a hobby guy?

I hope not I have too many hobbies as it is


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I use that term not as an insult but relating to size of units and the ag capabilities. Smaller Kubota's are nice (i'd like to have one to fiddle with) but cannot run in an ag situation. Not enough power, weight or ground clearance and most come with R4's and R4's don't work in the field.

Guy across the road has a small Deere with a backhoe on it and I hired him to trench a new waterline for the stock tanks this summer. Sure I could have done it myself but why would I go out and pay big bucks for a small unit and hoe when I can hire someone to do it and he was happy (made some bucks) and I was happy too. I could hang a hoe on either tractor if I wanted to but they are too big and cumbersome to do that stuff.
 

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Makes a lot of sense, buy expensive tractor, buy expensive oil, buy expensive oil test, then use the cheapest, crappiest filter you can find. Here’s your Sign.
 

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Makes a lot of sense, buy expensive tractor, buy expensive oil, buy expensive oil test, then use the cheapest, crappiest filter you can find. Here’s your Sign.

Interesting comment in as much as in 3000 hours I've never had a lubrication related failure.

You can spend your money on whatever you want to, I'll spend mine on what works.

Said in my first comment your mileage may vary, that still applies. 3000 hours tells me my mileage is fine... but then I do do an oil analysis every change. You most likely don't.

I happen to be a K&N dealer and I don't run K&N's either. No point. Don't mind selling them but use them for personal use. nope.
 

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Here is how I understand it, from what sidecar is saying and from the video: you can use nonOEM filters as long as you pay attention with tests or other means (common sense?) to decide if the filter life is being exceeded. What I am curious about is what the test results look like and what they tell you, especially if you are changing them every fall?

Idle curiosity question do all these Kubotas use the same or similar mechanism to circulate the oil?

With 2 lightly used tractors, that approach wouldn't be comfortable for me, easier to just change oil and oil filter once a year regardless of hours, and use OEM filters. They are both still under warranty also.