Diesel

[Stmar]

New to diesel engines so I am trying to figure out the best route to take. I just got my B2650HSDC, it had a full tank of fuel and I have put about 10 hours on it so far. A neighbor has several diesel machines and he, along with the tech that delivered my Kubota, suggested putting treatment in. Neighbor swears by Power Service products and his Dodge has about 300K so I tend to believe him. He also said to get "red" diesel from the co-op. What do others use for treatment, brand and type? On the red diesel, are there different grades, types, etc and if so which is the best for this engine? I suspect that summer and winter require different procedures. I want to get started out right so any input is appreciated.

 

[skeets]

YUp thats what I use never had a problem. Dyed Diesel is tha same as over road fuel you just dont pay the road tax on it, and its dyed to keep those pesky coal bucket drivers from filling up and not paying road tax. In your little beast you will never know the difference trust me.

 

[85Hokie]

New to diesel engines so I am trying to figure out the best route to take. I just got my B2650HSDC, it had a full tank of fuel and I have put about 10 hours on it so far. A neighbor has several diesel machines and he, along with the tech that delivered my Kubota, suggested putting treatment in. Neighbor swears by Power Service products and his Dodge has about 300K so I tend to believe him. He also said to get "red" diesel from the co-op. What do others use for treatment, brand and type? On the red diesel, are there different grades, types, etc and if so which is the best for this engine? I suspect that summer and winter require different procedures. I want to get started out right so any input is appreciated.

I have two older and one newer machine - I use a lubricator in all - the older engines seem to purr a little better too. I use the power service additives. Use them in the summer and winter -two different kinds.

As Skeets said - RED is the same ol stuff, just cheaper, a good deal cheaper - just dont GET caught using in your road vehicles.....they'll throw your ass under the jail!

 

[Stmar]

So which kinds of Power Service do you use summer and winter, seems like they have quite a few choices and I know nothing about them?

 

[Bulldog]

I use Amsoil conditioner in my 6 diesels and it has never let me down.

Biggest thing that will help you is buy clean fuel from the start. Either get it direct from a distributor or from a location that does lots of volume. If you plan to use enough to buy bulk even if it's a 55 gallon drum get a filter on your tank pump. Keeping the trash out to start with will save you a lot of headaches down the road.

 

[scdeerslayer]

If your tractor requires ULSD (should say so in your manual and on a sticker near the tank fill) make sure that any off-road diesel is also ULSD.

 

[nickelplated5s]

You could burn heating oil and yes, it's ULSD. There are countless threads/forums on which additive to use. I talked with one gentleman running an older semi who used 2 cycle oil as an additive. He had actually figured out what % to add for the best results.

 

[Stmar]

Yes, ULSD is required per the manual so I will make sure when I buy it in the next few days. Thanks for the input, new territory for me going from 8N gas to Kubota diesel.

 

[8upbowhunter]

If your tractor requires ULSD (should say so in your manual and on a sticker near the tank fill) make sure that any off-road diesel is also ULSD.

All off-road diesel is now mandated to be ULSD as of 2014 except for a some older marine and locomotive engines so you should be good unless you buy from someone servicing older marine and or locomotives.

https://www.epa.gov/diesel-fuel-standards/diesel-fuel-standards-rulemakings#nonroad-diesel


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[Stmar]

All off-road diesel is now mandated to be ULSD as of 2014 except for a some older marine and locomotive engines so you should be good unless you buy from someone servicing older marine and or locomotives.

I should be safe, very little water around here and the only locomotive is an old engine sitting in the park with no tracks so I don't think they fuel it anymore, lol. But I will double check when I go to buy fuel.
Definitely a learning experience, little engine sure has power even breaking in at less than max. Running less than 2000, usually around 1500 rpm.

 

[scdeerslayer]

All off-road diesel is now mandated to be ULSD as of 2014 except for a some older marine and locomotive engines so you should be good unless you buy from someone servicing older marine and or locomotives.

https://www.epa.gov/diesel-fuel-standards/diesel-fuel-standards-rulemakings#nonroad-diesel


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The off-road diesel at my local station is not ULSD. Sticker says may contain up to 1000 ppm sulfur and it definitely smells stronger than ULSD.

 

[D2Cat]

The sticker may say it, but I don't think they can get it from their suppliers!

 

[Stmar]

Got my first fuel today, used Power Service additive and put it in before I pumped the fuel into the can. It came out with a lot of pressure and fast, foamed up and I spilled a bit. I estimated the additive, figured I needed about 1-1/2 ounce for 5 gallons. How exact do you have to be with the additive, is too much better than not enough?

 

[spacemanspiff]

We have run plain old off-road diesel in all our equipment with no additives. The engines have always outlasted the machine, except for the time an employee forgot to put in oil once. That was a $20,000 mistake.

Our cable plows usually start to show metal fatigue from the shaking they do. The hoe part of the backhoe is usually starts to get so sloppy that you can't dig a hole precise enough to dig around gas, water and such. I don't have enough time to list the problems that starts to show up with a directional boring rig well before to engine gets to maybe half it's life.

The first tractor my company bought in the 1960s is still running. The hydraulics have been rebuilt at least once. It's still going strong on a nearby farm.

 

[tor]

I drop 32 oz of Power System Diesel Fuel Supplement in a 55 gal drum every time I fill it with farm fuel.

 

[BX23S-1]

How much are you guys mixing in a 5 gallon can..?
And is it ok to use in a brand new BX23S tractor..?

 

[Stmar]

How much are you guys mixing in a 5 gallon can..?
And is it ok to use in a brand new BX23S tractor..?

The formula on the bottle equals about a 1/3 oz per gallon and it says up to so I guess you can go a little over. I put about 1-1/2 or 2 oz in 5 gallon can and did not get the can full, only about 4 gallons so I think that is safe.
Don't have enough experience with diesel to know specific tractor but would assume the manual would say if there are restrictions on additives for certain models.

 

[sheepfarmer]

You can also do the calculations another way if you want to treat the tractor and typically top off the tank frequently. Start the process if the tank contains an unknown amount of untreated fuel by calculating the correct amount of Power Service or whatever to treat the whole volume of the tank. Eg, if the tank holds 12 gal, pour directly into the tank the amount of Power Service to treat 12 gal, and then add untreated fuel until full. Pouring in the fuel will help mix it. This works if you don't buy a lot of diesel at once so it is not sitting around. It also has the advantage that the funnels many of us use to remove water, the Mr. Funnel, can still be used. The Mr. Funnel directions say that the many fuel additives will ruin the funnel.

 

[Stmar]

Now that is quite the team.

 

[Gundoctor]

You are going to get many answers to your question. I have used Power Service many year ago. But with the new Non-Metal fuel tanks that are out there I now use K-100. I will put a link here for you to read. I live with this - something is better than using nothing. Good luck

Dave

http://k-100.com/fuel-type/diesel/