I only have a 2 yr technical degree (trade school) in Electrical Technology and spent 42 yrs in the industry. I didn't completely home school but certainly monitored the kids classwork.I find it interesting that most parents I know who home school never attended college but think they are better teachers than someone with a masters degree in education. Just my observations.
I only have a 2 yr technical degree (trade school) in Electrical Technology and spent 42 yrs in the industry. I didn't completely home school but certainly monitored the kids classwork.
Our two sons suffered through two types of learning growing up. The “No child left behind” curriculum at their public school. Then at the same time….the “You’re going to learn how to think and do things the right way” at home. (Dad’s way)
Their text books were fraught with misinformation and mistakes, especially the math books. Complaining to the school board did no good as they had already just spent large sums on these latest greatest text books.
I would help them with their homework but almost never gave them the answers. Instead, I would help/make them think in how to arrive at the correct answer. Their teachers would get mad at me for sending notes back with them that their textbooks were wrong (gave pg. & the example) and they should make a note to correct them. They spent almost a year on “guess and check” math methods with multiple choice answers……at least half of which were incorrect. I must’ve been the only parent that noticed and would comment. I would make the kids show their work and how they arrived at the correct answer……even if it wasn’t one of the multiple choices in the book.
Apparently, the straw that broke the camels back was a simple math word problem: What’s the greatest area that you can enclose with an 80 ft. length of fencing? The math book’s answer was 400 sq. ft. My kid’s answer: 510 sq. ft. The teacher marked his answer wrong, even though he showed her how a circle enclosed with 80 ft. of fencing had an area of 510 ft. sq. Much more than a square with 20 ft. on a side! He was sent home with a real nasty note to me saying I should not be teaching my kids at home!! And she was the teacher that had a picture of an ugly cowboy on her class door with a caption that said, “Homework makes you ugly!”
From then on, the son’s had double duty. They had to do the lessons the wrong way (school) and then when they knew things didn’t add up…..they had to do it the right way (dad’s) and turn in both sets of answers. Wrong to the school…..right answers to dad .
When our son’s were in 8th and 9th grade, their classmates took a poll and I was voted the strictest parent of the whole bunch. They thought I’d be mad when they told me, … but I said I’m honored!!
Fast forward quite a few years: one son is now a Civil Engineer. The other is a relay technician (2 yr degree) for a major power company. I think they now realize that some of the struggles with dad’s “home tutoring” really paid off. In fact, the one with the 2 year degree is now asked to participate in the hiring process of new technicians. When he asked his employer what made him stand out and get hired as a 22 yr. old over hundreds of other applicants with supposedly much more education and experience: They told him they could tell he didn’t lie on his qualifications and actually knew his subject matter. And just as important…….he actually could think on his feet, problem solve, and knew exactly what to ask and where to go for help, if and when needed. He was their model employee.
They've both far surpassed me in their technical knowledge learned in college and afterwards. But they certainly weren’t taught to problem solve and think on their feet in the years spent in public school. Every bit of that came from the one voted the strictest parent. In many ways they’ve now admitted as much. They just haven’t stated it outright. But that’s good enough for me!!
LOL! Agree whole heartedly! Here's a funny, true story I might have mentioned before: At a PTC meeting with the math teacher when one son was maybe in 6th grade. They had spent almost a whole year on the stupid "guess and check" math system. She was also the teacher sending me the nasty notes about not helping the boys with their lessons. The meeting was kinda tense but she had to admit that our son was doing quite well despite my "helping".I can honestly say, Right up there with you on this. We got several nasty grams because my daughtere was writing Cursive. Yes, we taught her how to write, not the school. We had a PTC, I asked, were not able to understand her writing? Answer, no, it was well done. Then what is the problem? We don't teach Cursive!
My son is a freshy, Daughter a Junior and to this day, NEITHER have been taught how to use a ruler. They know how because I taught them. I taught them Binary, Fractions to Decimal and back. None of which has been taught in school. I understand Binary is an advanced subject related to Computers, but since I use it a lot, thought I would teach them. Binary, the only time Zero counts as one. Both kids knew how to read and write before Kindergarten, proof is still on a wall downstairs! LOL
– George OrwellIt was terribly dangerous to let your thoughts wander when you were in any public place or within range of a telescreen. The smallest thing could give you away. A nervous tic, an unconscious look of anxiety, a habit of muttering to yourself – anything that carried with it the suggestion of abnormality, of having something to hide. In any case, to wear an improper expression on your face (to look incredulous when a victory was announced, for example) was itself a punishable offence.
I’m not questioning your career success. Many people are successful without college degrees, and many with degrees are not successful. Still, most of the parents I met who home school are not well educated and don’t become well informed on current and historical events. And it often shows in their “students.” Many of these students who go on to college are socially awkward because they weren’t exposed to people with different perspectives growing up.Just because someone has a piece of special paper, does not make such person smart, just educated. Sure, I could study the questions on a Cisco CCNP exam and pass it 100%, but in the real world, that don't mean jack if I don't know how to set up a proper network. Yes, I have had hires with Professional Certifications to fill Level III positions who didn't even know how to set up a basic static route. Even a Level I tech should know what a basic static route entails.
Those same teachers are also told to do things a specific cookie cutter way, and not to deviate, they also do not know individual children or how to change things up to suit their needs like a parent does. Only those with decades of teaching know this, and those are becoming rare today. Many teachers I had were old and well schooled in teaching to each child's level, but not today. The teachers in my kids schools are 30 somethings, none older than 45, many are not parents themselves.
Businesses today are changing up how they hire, they are hiring on experience regardless if there is a degree involved. Many have found that positions they normally hire a Graduate for have turned into stepping stones, and are constantly having to refill positions, and have switched to hiring experienced non graduate people to fill them. My wife has filled such a role, the two previous hires for it were not there very long and couldn't do a quarter what my wife does.
I myself never graduated High School, I served my 4 years and was out, of course back then they didn't give automatic passes, fail a class and you don't pass. I failed Phys Ed, hated it. Still hate it to this very day. I still make a 6 figure salary even though I have no special papers, I have skills that my employer needs and I fill it well. This is now starting to become the norm over requiring degrees.
ROFLMAO - what do they need to know about historical events? We stopped teaching history in the public schools a long time ago.I’m not questioning your career success. Many people are successful without college degrees, and many with degrees are not successful. Still, most of the parents I met who home school are not well educated and don’t become well informed on current and historical events. And it often shows in their “students.” Many of these students who go on to college are socially awkward because they weren’t exposed to people with different perspectives growing up.
AND maybe that was not a wise thing. IF actually accurate.ROFLMAO - what do they need to know about historical events? We stopped teaching history in the public schools a long time ago.
A+ for cheer-leading them though.
OK, point well taken.Well Henro I guess it is where you are the more red maybe they do than the blue. I just know that a few years ago when the grand kid came up from Miss, for vacation, one brought her school books to finish an assignment over the Holidays. As I thumbed through a history book I found things that were much different than what I learned about America. And the first amendment along with others were explained, however the 2nd was somehow over looked. I told her to ask her teacher about the 2nd, to my supprise she did. And was told, it was out mooted and needs to be repealed and no one needs to know about it or worry about it. So thats just one little bit of how history is being taught, if at all.
I think you have to look at the bigger picture to see what the full affect is. It's not just one teacher with one book talking to one student.OK, point well taken.
But we should not take what one person (that teacher) says as representation of the whole population out there.
All the best...