new to me b1750HST w/tranny noise
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Matt: I'm impressed with the progress you making.
It's good that your taking all those pictures, they will be valuable when you put things back together.
It's good that your taking all those pictures, they will be valuable when you put things back together.
I know, the pics have already saved me with the flywheel removal when i forgot to set it to the timing marks, or mark it in some way so as to bolt it back the same way....i know, amatuer mistake
but I went back to some pics and can see how it was oriented
ok, took delivery of my 700 dollar used clutch cover today...
rusty from sitting in some salvage yard in alabama for many years...
took it to get sandblasted and is now sitting in coat of Ospho as there was still some rust that the sandblaster missed...I may take it back to have them hit it again, as the inside has a few spots still. I have other things off the tractor needing blasting, so will take them in too.
my brand new flexplate...shiny
bought some paint from lowes for the dark grey on the clutch cover...I think they matched it up pretty well, and got a half gallon for 26 bucks as opposed to 35 for a pint at kubota.
plan to apply with a paint brush
I removed the rear main seal/carrier, and started scraping off the old gasket material...takes two paper gaskets and then the main seal itself..
I noticed on the inside of the crank hole there is a rubber gasket thing that looks like it has seen better days...not sure what it does, but will look up in the manual and call the dealer about it tomorrow.
moving along...need to pick up the pace or it is never going to get done, ha ha
rusty from sitting in some salvage yard in alabama for many years...
took it to get sandblasted and is now sitting in coat of Ospho as there was still some rust that the sandblaster missed...I may take it back to have them hit it again, as the inside has a few spots still. I have other things off the tractor needing blasting, so will take them in too.
my brand new flexplate...shiny
bought some paint from lowes for the dark grey on the clutch cover...I think they matched it up pretty well, and got a half gallon for 26 bucks as opposed to 35 for a pint at kubota.
plan to apply with a paint brush
I removed the rear main seal/carrier, and started scraping off the old gasket material...takes two paper gaskets and then the main seal itself..
I noticed on the inside of the crank hole there is a rubber gasket thing that looks like it has seen better days...not sure what it does, but will look up in the manual and call the dealer about it tomorrow.
moving along...need to pick up the pace or it is never going to get done, ha ha
now, I thought about some RTV on the perimeter of the rubber oil seal...the surface that seats within the carrier that it rides in...pics here
here is how I removed the old seal
now here is the new seal as it would go into the case that carries it...
here is the new seal sitting in the carrier...but not pressed in yet...
so, I will definitely put some oil on the inside of the oil seal where it rides on the crank.
and there are two paper gaskets for the carrier where it bolts to the engine, that I may put a thin film of RTV onto.
But , still trying to decide if i should put any RTV or equivalent type silicone onto the outside perimeter of the oil seal :confused2:
sorry if it seems like I'm being overly cautious here, but I really, really, really, dont want that oil seal to immediately start leaking once I get this thing back together again.
I've done main oil seals on cars before and had one or two leak immediately, so now I really take my time and make sure I do it correctly :thumbsup:
here is how I removed the old seal
now here is the new seal as it would go into the case that carries it...
here is the new seal sitting in the carrier...but not pressed in yet...
so, I will definitely put some oil on the inside of the oil seal where it rides on the crank.
and there are two paper gaskets for the carrier where it bolts to the engine, that I may put a thin film of RTV onto.
But , still trying to decide if i should put any RTV or equivalent type silicone onto the outside perimeter of the oil seal :confused2:
sorry if it seems like I'm being overly cautious here, but I really, really, really, dont want that oil seal to immediately start leaking once I get this thing back together again.
I've done main oil seals on cars before and had one or two leak immediately, so now I really take my time and make sure I do it correctly :thumbsup:
so I took some of the advice that I got from different people on the forums and used WD-40 to help the oil seal slide in, packed the backside of the seal with grease to keep the spring inside, used a block of wood and very, very carefully banged it in...little by little...to the depth that the original one was in
it all went in straight and true.
used some emery cloth very, very carefully to take off some sharp metal on the edge of the crank where the oil seal slides over...
sharpened a little screwdriver in order to make a scraper that would fit in this tight area to scrape off the old gasket material
this is the inner paper gasket
this is the outer paper gasket
I was going to spread a little RTV onto the paper gaskets and install the oil seal with carrier, but found my old RTV tube had hardened up...so need to go get some in the morning
Once I put that back on, I can install the flex plate, and then the flywheel, then the clutch and pressure plate.
I'll keep ya posted :thThumbsU
it all went in straight and true.
used some emery cloth very, very carefully to take off some sharp metal on the edge of the crank where the oil seal slides over...
sharpened a little screwdriver in order to make a scraper that would fit in this tight area to scrape off the old gasket material
this is the inner paper gasket
this is the outer paper gasket
I was going to spread a little RTV onto the paper gaskets and install the oil seal with carrier, but found my old RTV tube had hardened up...so need to go get some in the morning
Once I put that back on, I can install the flex plate, and then the flywheel, then the clutch and pressure plate.
I'll keep ya posted :thThumbsU
install went pretty well...
all torqued on at 8ft lbs on the little 10mm bolts.
spread some motor oil on the inside of the oil seal to help it slide onto the crankshaft.
I went to install the flex plate and after cleaning the area some more noticed the freeze plug here is a little rusty.
another pic
this freeze plug is normally covered by the flexplate, meaning if it ever started leaking I would be separating the tractor again
do you guys think it is bad enough that I should do it now?
or not bad enough to worry about?
I hate to stall out when I'm getting some momentum, but want to do things now rather than later IF needed.
thx
all torqued on at 8ft lbs on the little 10mm bolts.
spread some motor oil on the inside of the oil seal to help it slide onto the crankshaft.
I went to install the flex plate and after cleaning the area some more noticed the freeze plug here is a little rusty.
another pic
this freeze plug is normally covered by the flexplate, meaning if it ever started leaking I would be separating the tractor again
do you guys think it is bad enough that I should do it now?
or not bad enough to worry about?
I hate to stall out when I'm getting some momentum, but want to do things now rather than later IF needed.
thx
Matt, two thoughts regarding replacing the freeze plug, it looks like it is pretty thick material so you might be ok.
If you remove it now and replace with a new one you won't be second guessing yourself later if you didn't replace it. Do it once and be done with it. Did I confuse you even more? Good job, great pics. Stanley
If you remove it now and replace with a new one you won't be second guessing yourself later if you didn't replace it. Do it once and be done with it. Did I confuse you even more? Good job, great pics. Stanley
thx for the advice on the freeze plug...I did decide to leave it be. Hopefully it will last 10 yrs or so, ha ha
okay, so the flex plate is on...
and then the flywheel went on without a hitch...blue loctite on the bolts
but then I checked the manual to see if I missed anything AFTER I installed everything :drunkie:
as you can see they mention some sort of flywheel washer, and it would seem to indicate it is steel.
but again, went to the dealer, and they showed nothing of the sort on their schematic's.
okay, so the flex plate is on...
and then the flywheel went on without a hitch...blue loctite on the bolts
but then I checked the manual to see if I missed anything AFTER I installed everything :drunkie:
as you can see they mention some sort of flywheel washer, and it would seem to indicate it is steel.
but again, went to the dealer, and they showed nothing of the sort on their schematic's.
wow, it has been a while.
I'm back...
after a long layoff, I'm committed now to finish this project
I had the bell housing bolted back up, but immediately noticed that the clutch arm felt a little off after the first press into the pressure plate by hand.
it didn't feel like I was actuating the clutch with the pedal.
everything seemed to move okay, but it didn't feel right.
I took a couple of video's after I re split the bell housing from the engine....
I'm perplexed by the oil seal spring that I found. I don't remember there being an oil seal in there?
I cannot be certain if the orientation of the throwout bearing is correct either.
is there anything else that I'm missing here?
I'm thinking of driving to the nearest Kubota dealer and asking them if they can print out the parts diagram for these parts
One thing I should mention is that the clutch has been on there, without being used at all, for over a year or so now.
and there is some light surface rust from all the humidity here in florida.
I'm thinking it is possible that the clutch is rusted to the flywheel?
Might consider pulling it to check...
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son of a gun
I thought that might be it, as it was the one thing I was pretty unsure of...
Final question...
what do you think about the clutch? Should I pull the pressure plate and clutch to make sure it isn't rusted to the flywheel?
nevermind on last...
I went ahead and separated the tractor further and pulled the pressure plate and clutch to check.
it all came off easily, and I don't think it would have had any issue engaging/disengaging.
Putting the clutch back together now...
the throwout bearing is giving me trouble however.
to put it on in the correct orientation, it is just refusing to slide onto the output shaft.
I don't want to whack it with anything for fear of damaging the bearing.
guess I'll just keep at it
I went ahead and separated the tractor further and pulled the pressure plate and clutch to check.
it all came off easily, and I don't think it would have had any issue engaging/disengaging.
Putting the clutch back together now...
the throwout bearing is giving me trouble however.
to put it on in the correct orientation, it is just refusing to slide onto the output shaft.
I don't want to whack it with anything for fear of damaging the bearing.
guess I'll just keep at it
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update:
worked on getting the clutch back on...
making my own clutch alignment tool
it is in and centered....
torqued to 20ft lbs
the release bearing was not going on without a fight...
here is it after about halfway on...
so a little convincing...softly...with wood and hammer
and it looks to be completely on and flush
tomorrow I bolt the bell housing back up and continue with the reassembly
worked on getting the clutch back on...
making my own clutch alignment tool
it is in and centered....
torqued to 20ft lbs
the release bearing was not going on without a fight...
here is it after about halfway on...
so a little convincing...softly...with wood and hammer
and it looks to be completely on and flush
tomorrow I bolt the bell housing back up and continue with the reassembly
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thank you for your response...it really helped me out, obviouslyLooks much better and I'm sure it will disengage better too!
I now know why it felt wrong when I had it all together.
am working on it now to get the trans tunnel mated back up to the engine.
always a bit tedious, but I'll take it slow.
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Splitting my B7100 was a cake walk compared to the L3450 that I'm working on now. I'm pulling the GST transmission for a rebuild, 2 days so far removing panels parts and such before the split.
started the re-mating of the clutch cover to the engine....
got it close...
cant forget the 4whl drive...gotta have that for the slippery hills of western NC
hot damn...got it
bolting it up
now that the tractor is back in one piece, it is time to start hooking up all the hydraulic lines...
for some of these that need a rubber hose,
I plan to replace will all new hoses. I'm going to call and price it at the dealer, but might also look for an alternative. I imagine they are low pressure lines, but not sure that heater hose would suffice...with coming into contact with hyd fluid and all...
updates to come
got it close...
cant forget the 4whl drive...gotta have that for the slippery hills of western NC
hot damn...got it
bolting it up
now that the tractor is back in one piece, it is time to start hooking up all the hydraulic lines...
for some of these that need a rubber hose,
I plan to replace will all new hoses. I'm going to call and price it at the dealer, but might also look for an alternative. I imagine they are low pressure lines, but not sure that heater hose would suffice...with coming into contact with hyd fluid and all...
updates to come
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Save yourself some serious $$ and go to an auto parts store and get heater hoses of the right size.
They are made of the same materials as factory hoses. If you want to upgrade go with the red high temp hose.
They are made of the same materials as factory hoses. If you want to upgrade go with the red high temp hose.