Looking at Hoes

JasonW

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Not necessarily Kubota related but pondering the idea of buying an older backhoe.

Any suggestions on what models to focus on and which ones to avoid?
Anything under about 15k lbs.
Thought about selling my MX and going with a large L or even MX HST with a BH92 backhoe but the few I’ve seen for sale are fairly expensive. Thus the idea to look around for an older backhoe.
 

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Great subject line!

Sorry, no useful info to contribute either way.
 

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DO NOT even consider a generic three point BH.
You need to find a BH that was made to fit the tractor, it's not a one BH fits all situation.
You also need the subframe to fit the tractor and BH.

Look at a Mini Ex
 
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Not considering a 3pt model that’s why I specifically mentioned the BH92.

The only Minis I’ve seen for sale are really rough rental units that cost more than a tractor with a BH. They might work better for some tasks but I think a backhoe would be better for travel speed.
 

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Not necessarily Kubota related but pondering the idea of buying an older backhoe.

Any suggestions on what models to focus on and which ones to avoid?
Anything under about 15k lbs.
Thought about selling my MX and going with a large L or even MX HST with a BH92 backhoe but the few I’ve seen for sale are fairly expensive. Thus the idea to look around for an older backhoe.
Are you talking about a rubber-tired backhoe/loader or a mini-excavator? How used and what are your needs? My nephew recently bought a used Bobcat mini-ex, I don't recall the model but around 10k lbs. He's using it for trail building and culvert installing.

The repairs on commercial TLB's and minis tend to be more complicated and expensive, especially if you're relying on outside help. That, plus the loss of reliability, is probably why most contractors trade them off when they start needing repairs. So, unless you're looking a near-new (and near-new price) machine, be prepared for some work.

Even the Kubota TLB's aren't total Swiss army knives. I haven't tried my L35 with the back blade, but when I had the hoe off I realized how light the rear got. The loader is heavy, so it takes a lot of weight off the rear, and it's permanently attached. The weight of the blade helps, until you lower it and need the weight on the blade.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, depending on your needs, maybe you need more than one machine.
 

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Are you talking about a rubber-tired backhoe/loader or a mini-excavator? How used and what are your needs? My nephew recently bought a used Bobcat mini-ex, I don't recall the model but around 10k lbs. He's using it for trail building and culvert installing.

The repairs on commercial TLB's and minis tend to be more complicated and expensive, especially if you're relying on outside help. That, plus the loss of reliability, is probably why most contractors trade them off when they start needing repairs. So, unless you're looking a near-new (and near-new price) machine, be prepared for some work.

Even the Kubota TLB's aren't total Swiss army knives. I haven't tried my L35 with the back blade, but when I had the hoe off I realized how light the rear got. The loader is heavy, so it takes a lot of weight off the rear, and it's permanently attached. The weight of the blade helps, until you lower it and need the weight on the blade.

So, I guess what I'm saying is, depending on your needs, maybe you need more than one machine.
Yes rubber tire backhoe. It seems you get more value with them, lifting capacity and backhoe reach and depth especially compared to a Mini Ex. Older backhoes range from 10-15k that are fully operational where 5 ton minis are almost double that.

Might just be the time of the year or my area for the lack of Minis for sale.

Will be doing all maintenance and repair work myself.
 

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consider a 2WD TLB. They're a a lot cheaper to buy and maintain. Guy will buy one, dig his foundation, septic, etc. then after 2-3 years sell it. 2nd guy buys it, does the same... 3rd guy, yup, buys it, does the same,
As for 2wd vs 4wd.you have to be very untalented to get a 2wd TLB stuck.
 

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I had a 1970 JD500C, 2WD, 12000lbs, great tractor, a beast, can't beat hp and lbs when it comes to moving lots of dirt. Work I did on thru the years was water pump, injector pump, many rams rebuilt, new pivot bracket "Ouch, $2000", general maintenance and welds, owned for 25 years, if you find one it would treat you good, probably cost you $6000 to $12000 depending on condition.
 
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Yes I am looking at 2wd versions. I’m seeing some minis in my price range that weigh 6-7k lbs. Trying to research different models of them.

Side note John Deere’s model numbers do not make sense to me. Just looking at backhoes and minis model numbers are not what I’m used to. Same number is either a backhoe, riding lawn mower or an implement.
 

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Maybe look for a used Kubota TLB series? B26, L47, M62? My L47 is right around 8k pounds with filled rears. Good Luck!
 

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Yes rubber tire backhoe. It seems you get more value with them, lifting capacity and backhoe reach and depth especially compared to a Mini Ex. Older backhoes range from 10-15k that are fully operational where 5 ton minis are almost double that.

Might just be the time of the year or my area for the lack of Minis for sale.

Will be doing all maintenance and repair work myself.
I rarely see a backhoe around here anymore, they've been replaced by minis. Or if moving or loading material, a loader, usually tracked, is added. A mini is just better at digging but not so good at loading. The typical dozer blade can be handy though, my nephew's mini has an angle blade and thumb. So I think supply and demand has made the backhoe cheaper relative to mini.

When I was shopping, I saw what you're seeing. There were some good deals on commercial backhoes, maybe from guys 'upgrading' to minis. I ended up with my L35 for a few reasons
* I had a bridge limited to 11k # and most backhoes are this or more
* Maneuverability, I'm in the woods a lot so overall length comes into play
* Comfort, I felt more confident about operating and maintaining a tractor-based machine than a heavier, more complex machine
* 3ph & PTO capability. So far, even though I bought the hitch kit, I haven't used these functions. As I mentioned earlier, I can't verify the value here. I have the use of a bigger tractor for bush hogging, rear blade, etc.
* Ran across a good deal, never hurts

Where the backhoe has the advantage is travelling, whether it's between job sites or moving material on-site. And the commercial backhoe functions better/smoother, due to better hydraulics, than a Kubota TLB, even the Mxx.
 
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Thought about selling my MX and going with a large L or even MX HST with a BH92 backhoe but the few I’ve seen for sale are fairly expensive.
Keep looking.

The ones that you find for sale now are the ones that are not selling because the price is too high. And good deals sell quickly.

So you have to watch out for new offers coming onto the market.
 

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Not necessarily Kubota related but pondering the idea of buying an older backhoe.

Any suggestions on what models to focus on and which ones to avoid?
Anything under about 15k lbs.
Thought about selling my MX and going with a large L or even MX HST with a BH92 backhoe but the few I’ve seen for sale are fairly expensive. Thus the idea to look around for an older backhoe.
Plenty of older Case machines around. Whats your budget?

Dan
 

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Well I was going to tell you about what we saw downtown St. Louis over the weekend, but then realized you were talking about backhoes for tractors. So, I'm no help.
 
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Another consideration, of course depending on you actual needs, a Ditch Witch trencher. I have an R-40. It's 40 HP, 4x4, 16" bucket, Ford industrial engine. On the other end of the machine is a 6-way backfilll blade. Wide flotation tires, all run hydraulically (has a creap speed). If you're digging any trenches a 6-way blade is amazing.

I've done work for guys and they want to negotiate the price down some because they can backfill with their tractor. It's always an interesting conversation. I can backfill in first gear and go the entire length of the trench at that speed without stopping, whether it's 10 ft or 1500 ft.

Just another consideration. Can find older trencher with very low hours for their age. Perfect for having around a farm, burying water or elec lines, downspout drains, or burying an animal. In all the years I've owned mine I rebuild the carb a couple of times and put an elect lift pump on it, and a couple of hoses, and did the seat pad. You don't get stuck with flotation tires and 4x4.
 

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I've been shopping for a backhoe for several months now. Can't use a mini-ex - I need something to drive back and forth on my place which is nearly a mile long. Hard to find any at all for sale in northern Nevada, and the prices are atrocious. Starting at $12,000 for something that is beat to death and barely runs or the engine needs rebuilt. Anything in actual working condition seems to start at about $25,000. Most of the ones I see advertised for sale are either in California or Idaho.