B8200 no hydraulics

MartinmMc

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Hi Everyone,
Newbie here from the UK, I'm hoping for a bit of advice regarding a loss of hydraulic pressure.
I have an FEL attachment and on the rear 2 couplings for a rear attachment, but not used until today.
I've got myself a tipper trailer with a single action ram, I hooked it up today for the first time, initially it didn't lift, but after topping up the gearbox fluid it came to life, lifting & lowering, however after disconnecting the trailer I've now lost all hydraulics inc 3pt linkage.
Any idea what's happened, how do I check the pump is ok?
Thanks in advance
Martin
 

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Check the control for the rear remotes and make sure it's not stuck in a position other than center (neutral).

Check the oil level in the engine, if the oil level is way too high you have blown the seal on the hydraulic pump.
 
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You can remove the hose that comes out of the POWER BEYOND port of the FEL. take the far end loose (it might be connected to the rear remote POWER IN port).

Put it into the transmission fill port or a clean bucket and start tractor. Remember that it should be pumping a few Gallons per minute (liters per second to the metric world) so don’t let it run long if you use a bucket.

You could also use the hose that enters the FEL valve POWER IN port.
 
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You can remove the hose that comes out of the POWER BEYOND port of the FEL. take the far end loose (it might be connected to the rear remote POWER IN port).

Put it into the transmission fill port or a clean bucket and start tractor. Remember that it should be pumping a few Gallons per minute (liters per second to the metric world) so don’t let it run long if you use a bucket.

You could also use the hose that enters the FEL valve POWER IN port.
You can remove the hose that comes out of the POWER BEYOND port of the FEL. take the far end loose (it might be connected to the rear remote POWER IN port).

Put it into the transmission fill port or a clean bucket and start tractor. Remember that it should be pumping a few Gallons per minute (liters per second to the metric world) so don’t let it run long if you use a bucket.

You could also use the hose that enters the FEL valve POWER IN port.
Thanks for the advice.

I took the hose off and powered up the tractor, but no flow out of the hose & checked the lever was in neutral position, so ordered a seal kit for the hydraulic pump, fitted that today

The 3pt linkage has lifted, but won't lower, FEL, lifted a bit, but nothing really, so really still at square on

Could it be ait in the system somewhere, all the problems started after connecting the trailer, could the single action ram be the cause, does it need a double action ram, ie push & pull? there are 2 connections for power beyond

I'm not familiar with hydraulic systems, so don't know what to check next.
 

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Thanks for the advice.

I took the hose off and powered up the tractor, but no flow out of the hose & checked the lever was in neutral position, so ordered a seal kit for the hydraulic pump, fitted that today

The 3pt linkage has lifted, but won't lower, FEL, lifted a bit, but nothing really, so really still at square on

Could it be ait in the system somewhere, all the problems started after connecting the trailer, could the single action ram be the cause, does it need a double action ram, ie push & pull? there are 2 connections for power beyond

I'm not familiar with hydraulic systems, so don't know what to check next.
Its not air. We can walk you through some orderly diagnostics and teach you a little basic hydraulics in the process. Lets get started.

Post a picture of the loader to tractor plumbing. Should be 3 separate hoses. Show where they are connectrd to the tractor

Dan
 

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Try to take some pictures of the hydraulic lines on the tractor with labels as to what goes where.
Then post them.

Take a picture of the way you had the tipper trailer hooked up and post that. Since this all started after you used the rear remotes for the first time I am a bit suspicious about that valve. So also take some pictures of the valve and how it is connected.

Look at your operators manual (can be gotten as PDF from link below). Free but you can give a donation for the storage. Make sure everything is connected correctly and especially that the directional valve is turned fully to the correct direction.

Draw yourself a flow diagram to see how the flow is currently flowing and see if that matches what the operating manual says.

After you put new seals in the pump did you check to see how it was flowing or did you just try to use it?

If you think of the hydraulics just as a garden hose that connects things together that might help. The pump makes the flow and pressure. The flow goes to the block on the side of the tractor, then to the FEL valve, to the rear remote valve and returns to the block, then goes to the three point hitch internally and dumps to the sump. There is not a lot of pressure until a valve diverts the flow to a cylinder. The fluid fills the cylinder end and pressure builds behind the piston and moves the piston. Fluid moves out the other side and back to the valve and dumps into the tractor sump. That is for a double acting cylinder on the FEL. For the single acting cylinder gravity will force the piston back down. I don’t think it will hurt the tractor but I have read very little about single acting cylinders. But there needs to be a tank return line on the rear remote valve.

The directional valve controls flow through the block so is used to divert the flow to the port where your FEL valve is connected to the tractor.

You could disconnect the Hoses from that block and set it back to just powering the three point hitch and turn the directional valve to the correct position and see if it works that way. That would prove the pump is working correctly or not. But there are other ways to prove that the pump is working correctly so I think you should not do this yet.

To check the pump flow, take the line off that is connected to the tractor and provides the flow into the FEL valve. Take it off at the FEL valve and put it into the fill port or a bucket. The flow is 6.5 US GALLONS per minute so don’t run it for long unless it flows back to the tractor.

Did you verify that the hydraulic fluid level is correct?

You should get a pressure gauge of proper range (5000 PSI) and a fitting adapter that will fit into the power beyond port of the FEL valve.

And sorry about the use of non SI units but I don’t know what the metric values are off hand. There were shown in the operation manual at this site


on edit- @TheOldHokie typed less so beat me to some of the same questions!
 
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Very good. Lets start with this one. Its the hydraulic outlet block for the loader valve.
  1. The upper right hose is the pressure supply from the pump out to the loader valve
  2. The upper left hose is the pressure return from the loader valve back to the tractor.
  3. The round knob in the middle is the selector valve and should be tuned fully clockwise until seated.and left there.
  4. The plug below the pressure return is for a loader tank return which you seem to be missing.
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When was the work in that picture done - before or after your problem started?

In any event, verify the selector knob is turned all of the way counter-clockwise until seated. If its not fully seated you will have no or very weak hydraulics.

The two pipes on the top of the blockvare gor power steering. Has it stopped working as well?

You have a quick coupler on the pressure return line. Is there a similar coupler somewhere on the supply line? I am trying to figure out how you did the flow test suggested by Russell

Dan
 
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Very good. Lets start with this one. Its the hydraulic outlet block for the loader valve.
  1. The upper right hose is the pressure supply from the pump out to the loader valve
  2. The upper left hose is the pressure return from the loader valve back to the tractor.
  3. The round knob in the middle is the selector valve and should be tuned fully clockwise until seated.and left there.
  4. The plug below the pressure return is for a loader tank return which you seem to be missing.
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When was the work in that picture done - before or after your problem started?

In any event, verify the selector knob is turned all of the way counter-clockwise until seated. If its not fully seated you will have no or very weak hydraulics.

The two pipes on the top of the blockvare gor power steering. Has it stopped working as well?

You have a quick coupler on the pressure return line. Is there a similar coupler somewhere on the supply line? I am trying to figure out how you did the flow test suggested by Russell

Dan
Hi Dan

I've attached a pic of the hydraulics system.

The knob on the selector valve position is where it's always been prior to this issue.

I have turned the valve under the seat fully anti c/w & now the 3pt link rises & lowers although a bit jerky, still no lift on the FEL.

I check flow by removing the p/b coupling & virtually nothing came out when operating the lever.

All problems only started when I connected the tipper trailer
 

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Hi Dan

I've attached a pic of the hydraulics system.

I have turned the valve under the seat fully anti c/w & now the 3pt link rises & lowers although a bit jerky, still no lift on the FEL.

I check flow by removing the p/b coupling & virtually nothing came out when operating the lever.

All problems only started when I connected the tipper trailer
I understand the failure occured when using the remotes. Now we are starting at the source (pump) and working out in an orderly fashion to find what failed and where. I wish you had not disassembled the pump because that furrher muddies the water.

We can check off the selector valve.

Is the power steering working?

What do you believe is the power beyond coupling? Where is it in your pictures. Notice I did not use that term.

Did you remove the quick coupling from the hose or simply disconnect it from the other half?

Dan
 
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Hi Dan

I've attached a pic of the hydraulics system.

The knob on the selector valve position is where it's always been prior to this issue.

I have turned the valve under the seat fully anti c/w & now the 3pt link rises & lowers although a bit jerky, still no lift on the FEL.

I check flow by removing the p/b coupling & virtually nothing came out when operating the lever.

All problems only started when I connected the tipper trailer
Your diagram looks good up to the remote valve. I can make no sense of that given the loader plumbing.

The "valve under the seat" adds even more confusion.

In any event, if the 3pt is working so is the pump.

i would suggest two things:
  1. Correct the plumbing for the remote valve and proceed from there. Based on your pictures I am assuming your loader valve does not have a power beyond port but the remote valve does. See diagram below.
  2. When using the dual acting remote to operate your single acting cylinder connect the second outlet to tank.

Dan

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Hi Dan,

The valve under the seat is apparently used to slow down the lowering of the hydraulics, that's what I understand it's for.

Although the 3pt link works, the FEL still doesn't, so if possible I'd like to get things back to the point before I connected the tipper trailer, I'm not bothered about the power beyond atm.

Martin
 

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Hi Dan,

The valve under the seat is apparently used to slow down the lowering of the hydraulics, that's what I understand it's for.

Although the 3pt link works, the FEL still doesn't, so if possible I'd like to get things back to the point before I connected the tipper trailer, I'm not bothered about the power beyond atm.

Martin
Then you are going to have to explain how the remote valve is plumbed. Where is it hookef into the tractor?

Dan
 

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Very good. Lets start with this one. Its the hydraulic outlet block for the loader valve.



  1. The round knob in the middle is the selector valve and should be tuned fully clockwise until seated.and left there.

In any event, verify the selector knob is turned all of the way counter-clockwise until seated. If its not fully seated you will have no or very weak hydraulics.


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You had him put the directional valve set fully counter-clockwise. That was to test the pump function (I assume).

Do you want it in the fully clockwise position now for the current testing?

(As I understand the directional valve, only the three point hitch will operate when it is counter-clockwise.)

Also I “think” the “valve under the seat” is the rear remote valve since the other one shown is the FEL valve.

We can discuss the missing tank return line from the loader valve later, I will assume that is OKAY for now and is just the way it was done and can work (since it has been working).

And I‘ll try to stay out of the trouble shooting so that he can get directions from only the most knowledgeable person!
 

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Did no one notice the drive case for the pump is broken???
Most certainly going to cause a pump issue!

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Large screen for the win!

I am using an IPad and didn’t look too hard so did NOT see that.
 

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You had him put the directional valve set fully counter-clockwise. That was to test the pump function (I assume).

Do you want it in the fully clockwise position now for the current testing?

(As I understand the directional valve, only the three point hitch will operate when it is counter-clockwise.)

Also I “think” the “valve under the seat” is the rear remote valve since the other one shown is the FEL valve.

We can discuss the missing tank return line from the loader valve later, I will assume that is OKAY for now and is just the way it was done and can work (since it has been working).

And I‘ll try to stay out of the trouble shooting so that he can get directions from only the most knowledgeable person!
OK i thing I screwed up on the selector valve. The selector on the outlet block should be fully clockwise at all times. If its not the 3pt will work but the loader wont. i thought we had eliminatex that but apparently not.

The "valve under the seat" was the lowering speed valve. He had it fully closed which is why the 3pt would go up but not go down.

I am still very confused about what the plumbing actually looks like. I dont think it matches his diagram.

Dan
 
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Was there any load on the three point hitch when it was lifting on the test (directional valve anti-clockwise)? Was it performing any work or just lifting the arms?
 

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Was there any load on the three point hitch when it was lifting on the test (directional valve anti-clockwise)? Was it performing any work or just lifting the arms?
I think we need to slow down and confirm a few things.

The directional valve should be fully CLOCKWISE. The OP needs to CHECK AND CONFIRM that. Once confirmed it should never be changed.

I would also l8ke to know why there is a quick coupler on the outlet block

Dan