B7200 FEL to mini skidsteer quick attach modification

[dano7200]

Yea didnt ser that coming either. Just have to work around it somehow. Can i turn this cylinder clockwise as you are looking at this pic 180 degrees? Should work the same i thThat might help me View attachment 160254

Or maybe use a

Yes you can flip the cylinder. Just be aware the hoses will be moving as cylinder is opened/closed. Hopefully there is enough slack in them.

well i tried flipping. Doesnt gain me much. Would have to modify the ends too as pin bracket cylinder is longer/wider on bottom than top. Also cylinder doesnt have much clearance in that top thinner bracket.
so back to what it was.
i have a mayb it will work idea by changing the outside bracket to more of a "C" shape to clear that top hose. I dont think the bottom is as bad or an issue.

 

[MOOTS]

Nothing can be simple can it! Lol. Figures the ends are different on cylinder.
I like the C shape of the outer bracket. The side shot shows that well. Cut the bracket just about to your wrong hole should work fine.

 

[MOOTS]

Looks like there may be clearance issues with bucket open and rolled back on loader cylinders. May just be the picture angle.

 

[dano7200]

Nothing can be simple can it! Lol. Figures the ends are different on cylinder.
I like the C shape of the outer bracket. The side shot shows that well. Cut the bracket just about to your wrong hole should work fine.

Ha no it cant be too easy. but glad i got this as my first miniskid implement to build quick attach from. As im sure this way would have worked fine on a regular bucket. Then i would have discovered later it wouldnt have worked for this.

Along with C channel going to grind off tack welds of two square tube and rotate from bottom tube as pivot about 10 degrees forward. That will give me a little more wiggle room too.
ill send pics later of that result

 

[dano7200]

Got the square brackets rewelded. Bottom to the back top to the front. Gives me more clearance now. Maybe i could just notch out the bracket but that damn hole i drilled will not leave much steel. Anyway its going to work out i think. Hot like hell outside

 

[Runs With Scissors]

Flipping it might be the easiest/best.

But just as an idea, what about grinding/milling off about 1/2" "ish on the top and bottom boss's and making a spacer the same size for the opposite side.

In theory that would move the entire cylinder over a bit, hence making "more room" for that fitting?


Or possibly "notching out" that bar where it is hitting using a grinder.


EDIT: As you were. For some reason those last few posts did not appear until after I posted my suggestions.

 

[dano7200]

Tacked up a new bracket. Got more clearance to the top cylinder hose. Bottom clearance still stinks. I just have to bite the bullet and extend the bucket mount forward another inch or two. I could make it adjustable so i can move back to this tighter to axis position. 2 pin hole positions. Forward and back lol. I could modify the bucket or hoses but i want to see how it works with no bucket modifications. Nobody wants to fart around having to do that if they buy an expensive bucket.

here are the pics of the bracket mod and the clearances. Some with hose on some in different positions some off. Bottom hose is the biggest perpetrator

 

[D2Cat]

Grapple hoses are always moving. When ready to use be sure those down on the cylinders are anchored there so they don't by chance move into the loader.

 

[dano7200]

Well this is it. Extended 1.5 inch forward. Dissatisfied with how far out this thing goes. Maybe its ok though?? I dont know. Just got to try it out. This 4in 1 bucket has a odd shape. I dont think i could have gotten it any closer to the pivot with regular skid quick attach location either. Certainly would have been heavier. This thing is gonna put tractor to the limit as is. If i can lift a full scoop of good solid dirt id call it a success. But... by math it doesnt seem to have optimum mechanical advantage for lift.

 

[dano7200]

Im about 5.5 inches from the pivot. Wonder how that compares to others?

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Ok, you must get better at posting pictures!
You now have several posts that there are Multiple of the same pics over and over again.

You pivot point is way too far out.
Your losses will be horrendous!
Simple fix, cut the bucket in half and widen it.

Open the clam and you'll find out the the cylinder distance will change even more and not for the better.
Your side links will fail even if they are made out of one piece,

Look at this picture and see if any light bulbs go off in your head, if they don't I will point out how changing to this setup will save you from all your issues.

 

[dano7200]

Thx for the kind words and encoragement. No your different pivot system will not work. You would still have same exact issue with this bucket., if u cant figure out that out ill point it out to you. the width of fel has hydraulic cylinders spaced right in line with the cylinders arms on the bucket. U cant move. Meaning u cant hook up like you are showing.

So yea if i did anything i found out this size mini 4 in 1 bucket does not look like it will work without .

 

[dano7200]

Didnt finish my last post. And sorry for duplicate pics.

sounds like u got it all figured out wolfman. Thanks for showing me how to do it.. Yes i found out this particular bucket doesnt work well for my loader. Will probly sell and just go with a regular bucket. That should work.

 

[Runs With Scissors]

Good try though, and thanks for sharing.

I am the Captain of Team "It don't always work out".

But I like the challenge of trying to figure things out and making stuff.

 

[mdhughes]

Would using banjo fittings fittings on the cylinder and hose with straight fittings work?

 

[dano7200]

Thx runs with scissors. I can live without a 4 in 1. I will still be going with the mini skid quick attachment though.

Would using banjo fittings fittings on the cylinder and hose with straight fittings work?

That would certainly help the clearance and get me back to about 3-4 inches from pivot. According to wolfman though this doesn't have a chance of working.
I did not want to have to modify anything on the bucket. Wanted to see what I had to do to keep it "as is" no mods.
That includes not cutting it in half and extending it. LOL

However, I'm pretty sure a regular mini skid bucket and most other mini skid attachments should work fine with the pivot moved tighter to the pivot. I just picked the one bucket that won't work on it... Or I should say not well. Well I don't even know because I haven't tried it. Lifts good and curls good with no weight on it...

So I'm going to get another 48" regular mini skid bucket similar or like in the pic below and modify my bracket to fit. Should only have to move the attachment plates .

Not giving up im moving on.

 

[dano7200]

Here is a pic of a bigger kubota with regular skid quick attach and a 4 in 1 bucket (not mine). I see the pivots are a good 6 inches from the attachment here. Different lift mechanism on loader like the wolf showed.
This would not work if cylinders on bucket were in line with fel arms like mine are. They are outside of arms. This adds more weight and now is wider than the tractor. Something I don't want. And his quick attach plate extends out well beyond his pivots as mentioned. Looks like about 6 inches or so. Maybe that lift config gives more power to the curl function I don't know.

So is mine too far out based off of this picture?
Mechanically I know this is not the best scenario.

Or maybe thats why hes selling it. Lol it wont lift the weight or not well?

 

[dano7200]

Heres another kubota picture at goodworks tractor dealer and a pic of their four in 1 bucket on it with a regular quick attach. This has what looks to me at least 5- 6 inches from pivot. Im about 5.5inch.

I degress, still going to move mine back rearward and go with the plain jane bucket. Sure would like to try it first though after seeing these pics.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

I'll also point out you have the side links geometry or length wrong, or possibly just a stop issue.
But the way you have it now your going to damage the cylinder rod and cylinder seals.

Your bowing the rods on extension, that should not happen.

 

[dano7200]

I didnt even notice that in my pic. Good catch! Ill double check my distance on pin holes. May have changed on accident when i hacked up the new bracket. And yes it should have a hard stop. The old bucket did. I did not put a stop on this yet. Ill check tonight if my pin distance changed. Hope i didnt bend the dogone cylinder rod. thanks