What the difference?

Fastball

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Ok..just noticed this on my dad's L2900.
The specs for the tractor say the rear tires are supposed to be 11.2 x 24.
However, the tires on the tractor are 13.50 x 16.1.
What's the difference?
 

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Ok..just noticed this on my dad's L2900.
The specs for the tractor say the rear tires are supposed to be 11.2 x 24.
However, the tires on the tractor are 13.50 x 16.1.
What's the difference?
Fastball

Is the tractor a 4x4 with the front axle powered?

If it is then there is a critical relationship between the size of the front and the rear tires to keep the transmission and drive-line from being destroyed.

If the tractor is rear wheel drive only then there are more options depending upon the tire tread an owner wants. The tread an owner wants often results in a different size tire. The original Kubota specifications would have shown this. On line tractor spec's don't and thus people like you are mislead.

You could have an Agricultural tire with deep heavy lugs to claw through mud and water. You could have a turf tire with many small tread blocks on the surface of the tire that wont tear up a lawn when cutting grass. Lastly you could have an industrial tire where the tire treads are shallow wide bars. These tires are often on backhoes and loaders who spend a lot of time traveling on paved roads.

I have a larger tractor, a M7040. At the dealers it had radial Ag tires often referred to as R1. I knew that I would use my tractor on lawns and similar areas a lot and did not want to be tearing these surfaces up while I did not plow fields with mud. I had the R1 replaced with an industrial style called R4. Not all styles of tires are available in all sizes. Because my tractor is 4x4 the circumference ratio between the front and rear tires had to be maintained even though the R4 tires were lower than the R1. This meant both tires and wheels had to be changed because the R4 tires were not manufactured in the same size as the R1.

Hope this makes sense. Read through it and ask more questions./

Dave M7040
 

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Yes, its a 4x4...and I think they're R1 agricultural tires...albeit from the late 90s.
Then, find out and tell me what the size of the front tires are.

When you consider any vehicle with 4 wheels, regardless if it is 4 wheel or two wheel drive, there are some very basic physics to when it travels.

When you turn a corner, the inside wheels travel a shorter distance than the outside wheels otherwise the vehicle would just go straight.

To compensate for the different lengths of travel on an inside vs and outside wheel, the axle with those 2 wheels on it will have a differential gear absorbing the different length paths taken.

The one 4 wheel vehicle where this differential is not used is on the Quads which are like ATVs' but 2 wheel drive. But to turn them on pavement requires the operator to shift his/her weight to the outside of the turn so the inside wheel can slip. Go carts same story, Their frames are made to flex so the inside rear wheel can lift off the ground so they can turn a corner.

Back to tractors.

When turning a corner, the rear axle tires travel a shorter path than the front axle tires. That is why you see the rear tires of cars and trucks going over curbs when they turn. You can see the different paths if you drive through a puddle and then make a turn on dry pavement.

On cars and modern light trucks which are equipped with All wheel drive, a system which is always driving all the wheels, there is a third differential absorbing or compensating for the different lengths of travel of the front and rear axles.

A tractor does not have this third differential as it is not intended to be doing heavy work on pavement. When it is going to be driven on pavement it must be in two wheel drive or it is very hard to steer and damaging to the drive line.

The designers of the 4x4 tractors take the different path lengths into consideration by having the front axle geared to travel a small percentage further than the rear axle. It might be 5% approximately. When I wanted different tread tires and therefor needed different wheels, Kubota has done the homework and sized the alternative front and rear wheels to have this same difference in travel.

That is why you cannot stick any wheel on a 4x4 tractor just because it will fit on the studs. It could be totally wrong for the required ratio between the front and rear travel distance.

Dave M7040
 

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Ok..just noticed this on my dad's L2900.
The specs for the tractor say the rear tires are supposed to be 11.2 x 24.
However, the tires on the tractor are 13.50 x 16.1.
What's the difference?

Fastball,

Dave is leading you down the perfect path - everything he is talking about is right on!


looking up data (and EVERY tire manu will have a littttttle different RC) we find that the RC of both sets are somewhat the same.

this is one manufacture however


13.5 x 16.1
RC 120

http://www.titanstore.com/info/499505

11.2x24
RC 130

http://www.titanstore.com/info/473404

now.......as Dave pointed out - what are the fronts?
 

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Fastball, the numbers on the tires basically represent the width of the tire and the wheel (steel hub) diameter.

So one is 13.5 inches wide on a 16.1 inch wheel. One is 11.2 inches wide on a 24" rim. Similar outside diameters, but mounted on different size wheel, and the tires have different widths.
 

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They are R3 tires, loader specials, I run them, I think they far better than a standard R1!
What size are on the fronts?
 

Fastball

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Fastball,

Dave is leading you down the perfect path - everything he is talking about is right on!


looking up data (and EVERY tire manu will have a littttttle different RC) we find that the RC of both sets are somewhat the same.

this is one manufacture however


13.5 x 16.1
RC 120

http://www.titanstore.com/info/499505

11.2x24
RC 130

http://www.titanstore.com/info/473404

now.......as Dave pointed out - what are the fronts?

Egads, the Titanstore has a price of 777 dollars listed. Is that per tire? Wow. Sweet Jesus...I'll run these til I can see through them.
 

North Idaho Wolfman

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I was working on her this morning, and noted the size.
The fronts say 27 x 8.5 - 15
Your fronts are an R4 tire.
And with that tire combination, yes you have the right ratio, it's the exact same I run on mine. :D