Two blondes arguing over PTO

[womendriver]

How many blondes does it take to correctly engage a PTO?

Well aparently more than two.

Here is the discussion.
Next to the PTO engaging switch on our 2011 L3200 Kubota is a small warning sign that states..

To avoid damage to the PTO the Clutch must be fully disengaged.

I take this as : in order to activate the PTO I must put my foot down on the Clutch pedal. I then engage the PTO by moving the small lever over. I then slowly remove my foot from the Clutch lever and off I go.

She takes this as : Disengaged clutch means foot OFF the clutch pedal. While engine is running put the PTO on and off you go, never touching the clutch.

Now when you engage the PTO it clicks really loudly, after examination I find that the PTO lever is not staying in place, it is sliding slight out of position thus creating a clicking noise, the only way to stop this is by holding that small lever firmly to the engaged side.

I say this is because she has been ramming that pto on while the gears have been going and worn the edges so now is slipping.

She says nay nay, she always did it that way with the old one and it never did that and we had the old one for almost 3years.

I dont mind being wrong folks but I need to know the correct way to engage this PTO.

When is a clutch disengaged? When your foot is ON or OFF the pedal?

 

[Orange Tractors]

It sounds completely opposite of the way it really is. When the clutch is disengaged it disconnects the engine from the transmission.

A clutch is disengaged when your foot is pressing it to down. When your foot is completely off of it the clutch is engaged.

Hope this helps,

Robert

 

[eserv]

You are right Womandriver! And the pto will have to be repaired on that tractor.( tractor split right under the seat and new gears installed!
Ed

 

[Wxman]

Yep. What he said.

 

[Bulldog]

If you have a "live hydaulic pto" you do not have to hold the clutch to engage it. But, in your case. The L 3200 does not have hyd pto so you have to push the clutch in to engage it. Blonde #1 is correct. You are also correct about the clutch disengage. To disengage the clutch is by pushing the pedal in. Engage is with the pedal out.

Basic understanding:

Disengage = Push pedal in which breaks the clutch disk contact from the flywheel and pressure plate.

Engage = Pedal out which lets the clutch disk make contact with flywheel and pressure plate.

Think of it like this. Your tractor is one unit from engine to rear. The engine powers everything that's behind it. The entire time the engine is running it's applying power to every part of the tractor. The clutch allows you to break the power from the engine so you can shift gears, change directions or operate the pto.

I hate to say it but blonde#2 has created a very expensive repair bill for you. The tractor will need to be split apart to be fixed. Since it's already going to be split I would recommend going on and putting a new clutch just to save on future expense. It wouldn't surprise me at all that your repair bill will be in the neighborhood of $2000. I think she should have read over the operators manual a little closer before taking off on your tractor. A simple operator error is going to be a hard thing to swallow.

 

[eserv]

I respectively disagree with bulldog re the need to go into the clutch. The PTO gears you need to replace are nowhere near the clutch and it would be many hours more labor to look at the clutch. If it were mine or my customer I'd advise just repairing the PTO unless there is a problem currently with the main clutch.

 

[Bulldog]

If it were mine or my customer I'd advise just repairing the PTO unless there is a problem currently with the main clutch.

That's commendable.

I have never worked on a 3200 so I have a question for you eserv. I'm not trying to be a smart a--, I really would like to know for myself.

You said it would be many more hours to look at the clutch. What is different about this model that even with it already split apart it's still that much more work?

 

[TripleR]

What Bulldog said, according to the Kubota web site, the B3200 has a "Live PTO", so yes, you need to push the clutch in prior to moving the PTO lever.

An "Independent PTO" does not require you to push the clutch in.

Don't know anything about repairing one though.

 

[skeets]

While this is always very intereting, a few pictures might help,,, and since Im a sissy and don't have a clutch, I would like it made clear to me too,, cause ya never know,, DO YOU PUSH THE CLUTCH IN BEFORE ENGAGING THE PTO??

 

[TripleR]

While this is always very interesting, a few pictures might help,,, and since I'm a sissy and don't have a clutch, I would like it made clear to me too,, cause ya never know,, DO YOU PUSH THE CLUTCH IN BEFORE ENGAGING THE PTO??

Yes, on a "Live PTO", you do; on an "Independent PTO" you don't have to though some still do.

And of course on the old "Transmission PTO" you also had to use the clutch.

I guess I'm a sissy too as I don't like a clutch on an HST.

 

[eserv]

To repair the PTO engagement gears on a B3200 you "split the tractor" at a different place than you would to do a clutch.(( between the transmission and differential/final drive housing) On a BX tractor you have an "independant" PTO that uses a hydraulic clutch so you don't use a foot clutch to facilitate engaging the PTO In fact the only current Kubota built tractors that DO require you to use the foot clutch for PTO engagement is the "B" models that have a clutch pedal and the "L3200 and L3800" All others have a fully independant PTO .Ed

 

[TripleR]

To repair the PTO engagement gears on a B3200 you "split the tractor" at a different place than you would to do a clutch.(( between the transmission and differential/final drive housing) On a BX tractor you have an "independent" PTO that uses a hydraulic clutch so you don't use a foot clutch to facilitate engaging the PTO In fact the only current Kubota built tractors that DO require you to use the foot clutch for PTO engagement is the "B" models that have a clutch pedal and the "L3200 and L3800" All others have a fully independent PTO .Ed

Just curious, but are they two stage clutches?

 

[hodge]

Just curious, but are they two stage clutches?

They would only be two stage clutches if they were manual transmissions.

 

[eserv]

They would only be two stage clutches if they were manual transmissions.

Hodge is right, The HST model is a standard clutch. The only real need for it is the PTO. other than disengaging and engaging the PTO the tractor can be operated without ever using the clutch pedal on the HST model.
Ed

 

[TripleR]

They would only be two stage clutches if they were manual transmissions.

So the manual transmission models have the two-stage?

Hodge is right, The HST model is a standard clutch. The only real need for it is the PTO. other than disengaging and engaging the PTO the tractor can be operated without ever using the clutch pedal on the HST model.
Ed

So on that model the Operator Manual doesn't say to clutch to change ranges like it does on my GL, or you just don't "need" to? I don't, but the manual says to. Although my GL has an "Independent PTO", applying the clutch also stops power to the PTO as well as transmission; never understood why.

 

[eserv]

So the manual transmission models have the two-stage?



So on that model the Operator Manual doesn't say to clutch to change ranges like it does on my GL, or you just don't "need" to? I don't, but the manual says to. Although my GL has an "Independent PTO", applying the clutch also stops power to the PTO as well as transmission; never understood why.

you do not need to use the foot clutch on A grand L HST to work the PTO. In fact you could operate that tractor forever and never use the foot clutch if Kubota wouldn't have put a Clutch switch on it for safe starting. It IS a nice feature on the Grand L series that one motion ( disengaging the clutch) you can stop ALL motion! (except the hydraulics)

 

[TripleR]

you do not need to use the foot clutch on A grand L HST to work the PTO. In fact you could operate that tractor forever and never use the foot clutch if Kubota wouldn't have put a Clutch switch on it for safe starting. It IS a nice feature on the Grand L series that one motion ( disengaging the clutch) you can stop ALL motion! (except the hydraulics)

All I use my clutch for is to start, but the Operator Manual disagrees with me.

I am use to operating geared tractors with Independent PTO, so I am use to shutting the PTO off in an emergency by just using the PTO lever, so I do the same with the GL.

I just don't like the clutch in my way and wish they would eliminate it like other manufacturers.

 

[eserv]

All I use my clutch for is to start, but the Operator Manual disagrees with me.

I am use to operating geared tractors with Independent PTO, so I am use to shutting the PTO off in an emergency by just using the PTO lever, so I do the same with the GL.

I just don't like the clutch in my way and wish they would eliminate it like other manufacturers.

There is nothing wrong with operating your tractor as you do. I think the clutch will eventually be eliminated on the "B" and "GL" tractors

 

[cabu]

Basic understanding

Bulldog allready said the right word: PEDAL

The traktor has a clutch and the clutch is operated by its pedal.

So when the Sign said:"To avoid damage to the PTO the Clutch must be fully disengaged."

It is not talking about the pedal of the clutch, it mean the clutch itself.

So, to disengage the clutch you have to "engage" the pedal of the clutch. Visversa, to engage the clutch you have to take you feet off the pedal, disengage the pedal.

Even if most people say something like step, kick or hit the clutch, we all mean something different: The pedal of the clutch.

The blond was wrong, because of disengaged vocabulary...

carl