Maui Fire
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The fire is out already. The tree is getting a daily watering (post fire) to try and nurse it back to health.
During the actual fire....no amount of water (from a human source) would have staved it off. It was that kind of 'wild fire'.
Now I have read that people are getting eviction notices, and land developers are already talking to the political powers that be. and the guy that never allowed the alarms to be sounded said he has no regrets about the people that died. and they would not allow water to be released to fight the fire, something sounds pretty fishy to me.. Follow the dem money trail
Actually thats all true. The governor made a statement and you can watch it saying he had no regrets, and that he was in meetings with land developers. They are also restricting media access to much of the destroyed zones according to multiple outlets hence the same B footage being used over and over.
Then seperately you can watch interviews with citizens talking about them getting evicted from the not burned down homes and survivors of the fires being harassed by real estate brokers about selling their properties. Those are mostly from social media though because of said media restrictions.
Not sure about a "dem money trail" but there does appear to be something underhanded going on. Considering the islands themselves are a giant cash cow for tourism it wouldn't surprise me if there aren't alot of people trying to take advantage of tragedy to make money.
Here are some real quotes - if you have any interest
LAHAINA, Hawaii — Hawaii's governor vowed "to keep the land in local people's hands" when Maui rebuilds from a deadly wildfire that incinerated a historic island community, as local schools began reopening.
Gov. Josh Green said Wednesday that he had instructed the state attorney general to work toward a moratorium on land transactions in Lahaina. He acknowledged the move will likely face legal challenges.
"My intention from start to finish is to make sure that no one is victimized from a land grab," Green said at a news conference. "People are right now traumatized. Please do not approach them with an offer to buy their land. Do not approach their families saying they'll be much better off if they make a deal. Because we're not going to allow it."
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Restricted access??
LAHAINA, Hawaii (KITV4) -- Maui County officials say they have decided to close off access into West Maui because they say people are not following the rules.
West Maui residents and visitors with reservations in the area were allowed through for about four hours on Friday until police closed the road again just before 4 p.m.
By KITV Web Staff
Police say the road was opened for locals to provide medication and supplies to families that are still on the west side but outside of the biohazard zone.
County officials say many people were parking on the Lahaina Bypass and walking into the areas makai of the bypass, which is locked down due to hazardous conditions and biohazards. The zone is off limits to civilians.
Police say unauthorized entry to restricted areas increases danger to civilians and delays our operations, as MPD and National Guard personnel must stop their searching efforts and escort individuals out. Those caught within this zone could be even arrested.
“This area is an active police scene, and we need to preserve the dignity of lives lost and respect their surviving family,” a county spokesperson said.
Source - Hawaii TV station
and a day later. . .
Limited access to West Maui is open for residents entering through Waihee and leaving through Maalaea, Maui County officials said in a news release this morning.
Residents must show proof of residency through a driver’s license or state identification card with a West Maui address.
Travel into West Maui on Honoapiilani Highway through Maalaea is limited to emergency operations, the county reminded the public, and requires official authorization from emergency operations officials.
MPD warned that going into restricted areas of Lahaina is a misdemeanor crime punishable by up to one year in jail and a $2,000 fine.
“The Maui Police Department has been working tirelessly to coordinate a thorough and respectful body recovery operation within the affected area,” an afternoon release said. “Our primary objective is to ensure the proper handling and identification of deceased individuals while maintaining the safety of the community and public safety personnel on the scene.”
MPD asked for the public’s patience.
Source - Hawaii newspaper
I could go on but any person with mimimal google search knowledge could find these.
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Wildland fires aren’t suppressed with water. They are contained to deprive the fire of fuel: firelines, and other things such as roads, streams, etc contain the fire and usually crews will burn out from the containment lines, so there isn’t anymore fuel to burn, effectively shutting down that flank of the fire. Water is used to cool down hotspots so crews can work to build containment lines. Water is also used to mop up hot spots or to catch small spot fires ignited by wind. Squirting water isn’t an effective suppression technique for large scale wildfires.
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My two cents: Hawaii has never had organized incident management fire teams or wildland fire fighters like we do in the continental United States. By the time a team could be deployed from the mainland, the incident was well on the way. This has been identified as a vulnerable situation for years, yet nothing was done. Community fire departments are equipped and trained for structural fire suppression, not wildland fire management. It’s a whole different ball game, yet Hawaii has never taken wildland fire seriously.
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So now comes the " Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda" lawsuits. The power company "should" have know about the high wind dangers and "could" have shut the power off and there "would not" have been a fire.
In many cases our society would be better off if all law schools were shut down for at least 10 years.