L4200 pto problem

Gjackson

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Please help My pto works sometimes when I engage it and sometimes won’t do anything I’ve changed the oil and filter also adjusted the cable where I have maximum oil flow through. When it goes there is no problems but some times it spins until I use backhoe lever and it will just stop? Any suggestions?
 
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Gjackson

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My pto works sometimes when I engage it and sometimes won’t do anything I’ve changed the oil and filter also adjusted the cable where I have maximum oil flow through. When it goes there is no problems but some times it spins until I use backhoe lever and it will just stop? Any suggestions?
Did I do something wrong here? Not one reply from anyone could use some help
 

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Did I do something wrong here? Not one reply from anyone could use some help
For me your description is not complete enough. Is this a new condition with some background leading up to it?

A L4200 can have a Glide Shift or manual transmission. You should provide this info.

A L4200 may or may not have a FEL. If you have one, assuming it is a Kubota one, provide the model number i.e. LA681

I do not think the L4200 has a mid pto but some tractors around that size do and they have a mid pto.

It would be helpful if you clarified the presence or absence of a mid pto

Are you saying the pto wont turn but then you talk about a change when moving a backhoe lever.

Is this condition happening when an implement is connected to the pto shaft?

Is this just an observation of the shaft with nothing connected but when the BH is mounted?

Hydraulic issues are complicated and many members avoid the questions which are not very clear.

I cannot find a free WSM which makes it harder to study the L4200 systems

This is a helpful group but you need to be patient. Weekend posts get less attention in my experience as it is only old ones like me who are on line on a nice weekend :)

Dave
 

Gjackson

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For me your description is not complete enough. Is this a new condition with some background leading up to it?

A L4200 can have a Glide Shift or manual transmission. You should provide this info.

A L4200 may or may not have a FEL. If you have one, assuming it is a Kubota one, provide the model number i.e. LA681

I do not think the L4200 has a mid pto but some tractors around that size do and they have a mid pto.

It would be helpful if you clarified the presence or absence of a mid pto

Are you saying the pto wont turn but then you talk about a change when moving a backhoe lever.

Is this condition happening when an implement is connected to the pto shaft?

Is this just an observation of the shaft with nothing connected but when the BH is mounted?

Hydraulic issues are complicated and many members avoid the questions which are not very clear.

I cannot find a free WSM which makes it harder to study the L4200 systems

This is a helpful group but you need to be patient. Weekend posts get less attention in my experience as it is only old ones like me who are on line on a nice weekend :)

Dave
Ok I can give this info thank you it is a glide shift transmission it’s l4200 DT tractor without a mid pto I have the wsm. When I engage the pto the shaft will spin most of the time to my backhoe attachment but when you pull a lever on it the shaft will just stop turning sometime I just drive around then try again eventually it’s turning with full power and I can use the backhoe then I can turn it off and on but the other day I tried to use it and nothing then let it sit 10 minutes moved shaft by hand back and forth started tractor and it took off? I am going to test hydraulic pressure today any help is greatly appreciated
 

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I assume the hydraulic pressure test you are referring to is measured at the pto clutch engagement lever which should be 356 to 370 psi.

The WSM states L4200 with serial numbers from 50001 to 50818 do not have an accumulator.

Would your tractor fall into this range?

Dave
 

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Gjackson

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I assume the hydraulic pressure test you are referring to is measured at the pto clutch engagement lever which should be 356 to 370 psi.

The WSM states L4200 with serial numbers from 50001 to 50818 do not have an accumulator.

Would your tractor fall into this range?

Dave
I will check serial number tonight after work and I checked the main hydraulic pressure it was 2275 book shows about 2350 min and 2489 max I shimmed it and now have 2425 psi the pto seems to work now when I try it it’s starts to spin then gradually goes faster and works this takes about 30-45 seconds that still don’t seem right I’m not sure where to connect gauge to the engagement lever I’ll look tonight in my book thank you for your help!
 

Gjackson

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I will check serial number tonight after work and I checked the main hydraulic pressure it was 2275 book shows about 2350 min and 2489 max I shimmed it and now have 2425 psi the pto seems to work now when I try it it’s starts to spin then gradually goes faster and works this takes about 30-45 seconds that still don’t seem right I’m not sure where to connect gauge to the engagement lever I’ll look tonight in my book thank you for your help!
Ok I looked at the pdf I’ll check the pressure there if I can I know there are steel lines right in front of it
 

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Need serial number or does is it with IND-PTO or W/O IND-PTO, This is not a MID PTO difference.
They are 2 different animals on controls.
 

Gjackson

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Need serial number or does is it with IND-PTO or W/O IND-PTO, This is not a MID PTO difference.
They are 2 different animals on controls.
It is with independent pto and I cannot remove plug to test the pressure there is there any other way to test if not I’ll have to get couple parts ordered and get back later to you
 

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Guys I think we got figured out I was able to get the pressure to 370 and my pto winds right up with no hesitation I appreciate the help I am concerned why the pressure was so low? It was 250
 

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Guys I think we got figured out I was able to get the pressure to 370 and my pto winds right up with no hesitation I appreciate the help I am concerned why the pressure was so low? It was 250
It is possible with time internal seals leak a little more and pressure drops to the point where engagement is spotty.

In any event, thanks for letting us know all is OK

Dave
 

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Where are you checking that pressure and what did you do to change it?
 

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Checked at the pto valve spool I finally got the plug out it shows how to adjust it in the wsm there is a regulator valve on the right side of the tractor
 

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I will check serial number tonight after work and I checked the main hydraulic pressure it was 2275 book shows about 2350 min and 2489 max I shimmed it and now have 2425 psi the pto seems to work now when I try it it’s starts to spin then gradually goes faster and works this takes about 30-45 seconds that still don’t seem right I’m not sure where to connect gauge to the engagement lever I’ll look tonight in my book thank you for your help!

Hi, I have exactly the same problem as you did, I have guages and I've managed to get nearly 350 at pto but I was interested in how you "shimmed" the main pump pressure up to spec?? I reckon this could save me too, please elaborate. I have manual but can't find that procedure.
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Gjackson has not visited the site since 2021 so doubtful that you get a response from him!

I would guess that a relief valve is shimmed to adjust the pressure as needed. Since he was talking about the main hydraulic pressure I would guess that is just after the pump outlet and maybe in a block where the FEL obtains pressure.

it may be best to start a new thread of your own to get responses. You can wait a day or so and see if anyone responds with the information you need.

If you can get a work shop manual it would probably help walk you through the process. Try to find one here
 

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Gjackson has not visited the site since 2021 so doubtful that you get a response from him!

I would guess that a relief valve is shimmed to adjust the pressure as needed. Since he was talking about the main hydraulic pressure I would guess that is just after the pump outlet and maybe in a block where the FEL obtains pressure.

it may be best to start a new thread of your own to get responses. You can wait a day or so and see if anyone responds with the information you need.

If you can get a work shop manual it would probably help walk you through the process. Try to find one here
Yes ok , fair enough. I do have workshop manual and it says nothing about shimming the relief valve that I can see. I've seen videos of it for different models where valve is in the rear of the tractor but nothing specific to this type. I will have a look this morning and try starting a new post with my issue. Thanks
 
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Yes ok , fair enough. I do have workshop manual and it says nothing about shimming the relief valve that I can see. I've seen videos of it for different models where valve is in the rear of the tractor but nothing specific to this type. I will have a look this morning and try starting a new post with my issue. Thanks
I am sure its covered in the WSM.

The main system relief is part of the hydraulic outlet block located just below the pump.

To test relief pressure setting connect a 3000 PSI gauge to the outlet port (B) on the block. turn selector screw (2) to implement attached position, and.stsrt engine. Pressure should be ~2500 PSI.

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I am sure its covered in the WSM.

The main system relief is part of the hydraulic outlet block located just below the pump.

To test relief pressure setting connect a 3000 PSI gauge to the outlet port (B) on the block. turn selector screw (2) to implement attached position, and.stsrt engine. Pressure should be ~2500 PSI.

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Ah ok yes I did see that in the manual actually. I was specifically trying to find more info on shimming to raise the pressure, but from what I gather you just unscrew relief valve and shim the spring. My adaptor for guage arrived today, so I'll have a go tomorrow. My pto presure was on 250 PSI, then I managed to adjust the regulator and go it to 350 ish and pto still has low power, so I will check pump main pressure and then try and get pto pressure up to 370 PSI I suppose. My biggest fear is pto clutch pack as that looks like a horrible job 😫
 

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Ah ok yes I did see that in the manual actually. I was specifically trying to find more info on shimming to raise the pressure, but from what I gather you just unscrew relief valve and shim the spring. My adaptor for guage arrived today, so I'll have a go tomorrow. My pto presure was on 250 PSI, then I managed to adjust the regulator and go it to 350 ish and pto still has low power, so I will check pump main pressure and then try and get pto pressure up to 370 PSI I suppose. My biggest fear is pto clutch pack as that looks like a horrible job 😫
Main system pressure is 10X the PTO pressure.

PTO pressure is a different circuit with its own regulation.

Dan
 

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Main system pressure is 10X the PTO pressure.

PTO pressure is a different circuit with its own regulation.

Dan
Ah ok, so the only thing I need to concentrate on is getting pto pressure up to 370? So the only adjustment i have is the allen screw on the regulator and if I can't get that high enough is there not a way of getting the pump higher? That's what my thinking was, if main pump is low then im trying to regulate a low pressure from the start.