Kubota B21 engine issue...Please help

Garrett Lee

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Oct 2, 2017
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Hey guys,

Hopefully you can help. I am a new member of this forum but I have enjoyed reading all of the posts for the last few years. I just recently bought an older (2002??) Kubota B21 backhoe/ loader with the D1005 engine in it. It has around 3,000 hours on it. The problem I have is it has lots and lots of black smoke under a load and also when you throttle up hard. Secondly, I notice that when you are at a higher RPM (2,000 +) it takes around 4-5 seconds for it to completely idle down which is a lot longer than other D1005 engines that I have seen. It just seems "lazy" when it comes to idling down. It has no problem throttling up. I am thinking that these two problems might be related but not positive. It seems to get worse when it gets warmer. It starts very easy when cold or hot, runs smooth, and doesn't smoke unless its under a load. Here is some of the steps I have already taken:

-Checked air cleaner
-No blockages in the intake manifold
-Checked for a clogged muffler
-Complete fuel flush
-Replaced fuel filter
-Removed all 3 injectors to have them checked/ cleaned by a professional (They checked out good, but when I pulled them out initially I noticed the middle injector had a purple color to the tip?)
-Removed injector pump to have it checked/ cleaned by a professional (Checked out good) I kept the same 2 shims on it that were there from the start. The lever moves free and easy.
-Adjusted valve lash to .006 on all valves
-Compression when cold is: 380, 400, 400
-Stop solenoid has been removed for testing purposes
-I played with the 2 rack adjustments with only changes for the worse.
-I did NOT check timing marks on flywheel but I didn't change anything with timing and it does seem to run good and put out decent power.
-Coolant seems good (Nice green color to it)
-Engine does not burn oil
-There is no blowby
-Glow plugs bench tested good

I am not sure where to go from here. Maybe I should just run it as is? To anyone else they would get on it and not know anything is wrong but I know that access black smoke is an issue. I am starting to think maybe there is a governor problem that is allowing too much fuel on acceleration and also not allowing the throttle back down to an idle fast enough.

Please post any advice you might have for me.
 

cviola2005

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My first thought is that someone in the past has turned up the fuel delivery. But now thinking about it further, I believe that the governor springs are worn or that one has broken, or come loose.
 

Garrett Lee

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Thank you for your response. That's what I'm thinking too. Could you tell what spring to look for? Location and access point?
 

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Was the injection pump delivery valves adjusted when it was reinstalled?
On that model of injection pump, the shims are the timing, but the delivery valve need to be set for the amount of fuel delivery.
The WSM will explain how to do that.
If you don't have the WSM, send me a PM and I'll send you a link for it. ;)
 

Garrett Lee

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Thank you for your input. Just a little history here: a couple years ago before I owned this machine a company did. An employee accidentally put some really bad fuel in it. I guess they ended up replacing the injection pump with a brand new one as a result. I doubt they checked the delivery valves and I didn't either. Please help me with abbreviations: WSM and PM, and I will send over what I can. Could the delivery valves being out of adjustment cause the lazy idle down as well or do you think that is s separate issue?
 

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Garrett, WSM= work shop manual. A complete manual for your particular machine. PM= private message. Left click on user name, find "to send private message", then send info to whom you selected only.
 

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If you click on "North Idaho Wolfmans" underlined name in his post, a box will come up and you can select - send a "private message" (PM) to him and he will send you back a message with a link in it, which will take you to a site to download the WSM (Workshop Manual) for your machine. I should get it myself and see if it's the same as the one I have!
 

Garrett Lee

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Hey guys, I still have not been able to track down the issue with this machine. I will be using it as is. If any of you come up with anything please let me know.
 

lugbolt

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carbon buildup in the exhaust and muffler can cause exactly what you're describing. Smoke on accel and load. Lazy decel isn't abnormal-the flywheel weighs like 40 lbs and takes a while to slow down. Compression is acceptable but on the low side, IMO.
 

Garrett Lee

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carbon buildup in the exhaust and muffler can cause exactly what you're describing. Smoke on accel and load. Lazy decel isn't abnormal-the flywheel weighs like 40 lbs and takes a while to slow down. Compression is acceptable but on the low side, IMO.
Thank you for your thoughts. Do you think just run it as is? At what point do you think I need to do a tear down to restore compression?