Cost/Benefit or simply want vs need.....

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It's not the my wife says no, or it costs to much for her. The fact is she said buy a new Kubota, no joke. I could of had a new LX. I wanted an older b series. I was just lucky to find an 8200. I love the way she looks and how she works....Have you seen my other posts? Think I over analyze stuff? Well I am at the point in my life where phase 3 kicks in, retirement. Just trying to plan for my needs and trying to buy the toys to fit those needs.
Those "needs" will keep changing as the years roll on.
I retired at 60.
At 83, I have decided that I "need" a (small) press-brake.
 
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Guys,

I'm painfully honest with my wife. This just really is an exercise in fiscal responsibility on my part. I guess you get to see into my mind when making a decision. The only thing that is "from the hip" is what candy bar to buy when I head through the checkout.
 

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Guys,

I'm painfully honest with my wife. This just really is an exercise in fiscal responsibility on my part. I guess you get to see into my mind when making a decision. The only thing that is "from the hip" is what candy bar to buy when I head through the checkout.
There is nothing wrong with doing the math…in my case I get wrapped around the axles pretty easily…I usually make a DA when I get stuck, and to me where there is math available, that is sort of the easy part…that’s very quantifiable…putting a pricey on the incidentals and convenience and general use scenarios…well that is another thing as that usually comes with previous experience. Basically there is more than just the price of the implement or the rental fee…there is a total cost of ownership which includes storage and maintenance and then there is also likely use case scenarios and total time involved including transportation if aplicable. It’s not really as simple as the basic math. And we all have different situations. Good luck with your analysis.
 

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There is nothing wrong with doing the math…in my case I get wrapped around the axles pretty easily…I usually make a DA when I get stuck, and to me where there is math available, that is sort of the easy part…that’s very quantifiable…putting a pricey on the incidentals and convenience and general use scenarios…well that is another thing as that usually comes with previous experience. Basically there is more than just the price of the implement or the rental fee…there is a total cost of ownership which includes storage and maintenance and then there is also likely use case scenarios and total time involved including transportation if aplicable. It’s not really as simple as the basic math. And we all have different situations. Good luck with your analysis.
Thank You for that. Hindsight is 20/20. I should have bought a Kubota back in 96, just bite the bullet and get one. The problem is money on hand and being "penny smart and pound foolish". The other part is getting old, I mean getting older. Keeping up with the Jones left me 30+ years ago....not saying I ever did, but the notion of "big.badder, faster" was never really a thing. I can't tell you my smile when picking up my 8200..... Kid in a candy store....
 
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Another way to look at it…at least for me…if I go through the all the closets in the house and total up the price of just the shoes and boots that have not been worn in the past year, that’s more money right there than my tiller. Want to see the shoes / boots and raise me the sweaters…well then that covers a couple more attachments. Open the closets and do some cost justification there…I guarantee my occasional use implements make a lot more sense than some other stuff. To each there own really…sometimes priorities don’t allow everything at once or it simply doesn’t make sense. That’s ok too. Anytime I get wrapped around the axle about what a tool that know I am going to use will cost all I have to do is open the closet door, and that sort of nudges me to get what I have a plan to use more than once.is it an expensive hobby, yep. And I love every minute of it….i smile more on the tractor than I do at my desk at work. 🥃
If the tally of funds spent for non-important, unused items make it easier to justify spending on implements how about discovering how much one spends on tobacco, alcohol, pizza or other items that destroy one's health? It's all just a game we fabricate to get us where we want to go with the least resistance.
 
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After years of having a PTO tiller, when I upsized my tractor, I decided not to buy a new tiller. I bought a Fred Cain plow instead, and a nice walk behind rear tine tiller. Plowing in spring and fall breaks up the hard ground deeper than a tiller. And with the walk behind tiller, I can cultivate garden weeds throughout the season. With the pto tiller, it was one and done in the spring because after the plants spread out it was too difficult to use the tractor in the garden. Yes the walk behind tiller is slower, but still better than hand hoeing between rows during the summer.
 
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After years of having a PTO tiller, when I upsized my tractor, I decided not to buy a new tiller. I bought a Fred Cain plow instead, and a nice walk behind rear tine tiller. Plowing in spring and fall breaks up the hard ground deeper than a tiller. And with the walk behind tiller, I can cultivate garden weeds throughout the season. With the pto tiller, it was one and done in the spring because after the plants spread out it was too difficult to use the tractor in the garden. Yes the walk behind tiller is slower, but still better than hand hoeing between rows during the summer.
When I had a 1500 sq/ft garden I did just that, borrowed a kubota and tiller first the go around then used my walk behind. I will be down to 200 sq/ft in the future.
 

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If the tally of funds spent for non-important, unused items make it easier to justify spending on implements how about discovering how much one spends on tobacco, alcohol, pizza or other items that destroy one's health? It's all just a game we fabricate to get us where we want to go with the least resistance.
So true!!!

I make three Cortados every morning. If I were buying those drinks it would cost me around $12 a day or $4,380 per year (based on the cost at a coffee shop I frequent when I head East for work), and that doesn't include the cost of getting to/from the coffee shop. I invested a considerable amount of money in a coffee bean roaster, grinder and espresso machine over a year ago, but make a Cortado that I can't buy in terms of freshness and quality, and the cost is somewhere in the $0.65 per coffee range. The break even point was around the 15 month mark which was three months ago. In theory I'm saving at least $300 per month by not buying coffee at coffee shops. :ROFLMAO:

I think it's a bit like reloading though. I don't work up handloads to save money. I do it to get the best out of the firearm and ammunition and probably shoot a lot more than I would if I were buying ammunition. Coffee is much the same. If I were buying coffee I probably wouldn't be having three every morning.
 

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If the tally of funds spent for non-important, unused items make it easier to justify spending on implements how about discovering how much one spends on tobacco, alcohol, pizza or guns or other items that destroy one's health? It's all just a game we fabricate to get us where we want to go with the least resistance.
FIFY

Don't even go there sir!

Thems fight'n words......:censored:
 

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To matters worse over the years is the garden/sub compact/compact tractor debate. As a homeowner that is clear as mud. I brought that up in another post (Tractor sizes over the years). When trying to find and then pay for a piece of equipment for your yard. In 1996 I walked into a dealer who said "All you need is a really good lawn tractor".....Ya, 1 year , my yard ate it. The next set of dealers, "All you need is a good garden tractor".....Ya it ate that too. Next was a bigger garden tractor, which some called a sub-compact..... Yummy, Yummy.....it took some time, but it to died. Now I own a compact and hope it rules the yard. Someone needs to put together a really good set of guidelines, not set by the manufacturer of what a Garden / Sub-Compact and Compact tractors are. Not what I read today, which is all about HP, because that doesn't hold up. Weight is as much of a grey area as HP. JD 1025R, sub compact, 24 HP, 1444 lbs.....BX 2380, 23 HP, compact, 1443 lbs.......yep, clear as mud.
 
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Here in Ontario, small engines USED to be rated in HP, for decades it's their size , in CCs...
FYI a 270cc engine is about 7 HP ( cc/30=HP).
I told dealer CC is a silly measurement as I can tune or detune a 270 engine to give more or less HP AND we all KNOW what HP engine fits on a 26" snowblower....
crickets.....lots of crickets.... sigh....
 

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Here in Ontario, small engines USED to be rated in HP, for decades it's their size , in CCs...
FYI a 270cc engine is about 7 HP ( cc/30=HP).
I told dealer CC is a silly measurement as I can tune or detune a 270 engine to give more or less HP AND we all KNOW what HP engine fits on a 26" snowblower....
crickets.....lots of crickets.... sigh....
Engineers I know are exact.....not prone to excitement. I understand marketing, or should I say "Little truth" in advertising, but I have not seen a website EVER put down a list that works.... then add the cost in and my problems (an I expect others) 101.
 

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My wife keeps asking what is she to do with all of the "crap" when I die. I told her that it was her next husband's job to figure it out.
Nono…. I had some “friends” offer to knock me off so they could get my toys. My wife just looked at them, and said “why do you think I’d get rid of them?”

She can use them, and if nothing else, they could be future husband bait…
 

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So true!!!

I make three Cortados every morning. If I were buying those drinks it would cost me around $12 a day or $4,380 per year (based on the cost at a coffee shop I frequent when I head East for work), and that doesn't include the cost of getting to/from the coffee shop. I invested a considerable amount of money in a coffee bean roaster, grinder and espresso machine over a year ago, but make a Cortado that I can't buy in terms of freshness and quality, and the cost is somewhere in the $0.65 per coffee range. The break even point was around the 15 month mark which was three months ago. In theory I'm saving at least $300 per month by not buying coffee at coffee shops. :ROFLMAO:

I think it's a bit like reloading though. I don't work up handloads to save money. I do it to get the best out of the firearm and ammunition and probably shoot a lot more than I would if I were buying ammunition. Coffee is much the same. If I were buying coffee I probably wouldn't be having three every morning.
By this idea of tallying up cost on items not paid for (or at least retail price) I have a nice account because I have not paid for a hair cut since I was 20!!
 
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By this idea of tallying up cost on items not paid for (or at least retail price) I have a nice account because I have not paid for a hair cut since I was 20!!
Me too. I spent $200 or so on a professional grade hair clipper about 20 years ago and I'm still using it. I cut my own hair every 2 weeks or so and the savings over the past 20 years has to be huge. :D For a few years prior to buying a good clipper I used to buy the $25 variants at places like Walgreens, but they'd only last a year or less.
 

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Look at farmers. They only use a plow, disk, seeder, planter, cultivator and a combine harvester a few days or a couple of weeks out of the year. The wife has a 50x50 garden, I use to till by hand then worked up with my antique equipment. We got the tiller in a package deal. Running to town with a trailer, paying for the tiller on the drive to and from the rental place, rushing around to use it, and then getting charged tripple if something breaks isn't enjoyable to me. Having it sit in the corner of the shed doesn't feel right.........along with my antique tractors, implements, and back blade, brush hog, but they're all tools and are there when I need them. I made extra money on my implements by doing side work that the items are paid for so it doesn't feel as bad for them to sit.

After my near death experience I realized either my dad or neighbor buddy would've had to help my wife go through my shop and shed and figure out prices if something worst would've happened. Everything I saved and worked hard for my whole life would've been sold in an afternoon. The wife and I have a combined account, once everything gets paid we figure out if WE NEED something for the farm and that extra money goes towards it. If not that money gets split 50/50 for our hobbies or to have fun.
 

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Nono…. I had some “friends” offer to knock me off so they could get my toys. My wife just looked at them, and said “why do you think I’d get rid of them?”

She can use them, and if nothing else, they could be future husband bait…
Couple months ago my wife said she didn’t know how she would keep everything up around the property if something happened to me. Told her to just find another guy, move him in, and have him do it. She said she was too old for that. Would require flirting, being nice, having patience; things she wasn’t really good with at this stage of life. I disagreed but left it at that.

A little later that morning we were at the tractor dealer picking up parts for the 400 hour service on the L. There were a bunch of guys in there that were typical landscaper/farmer types and she drew some attention being the lone female. As we were waiting in line at the parts counter, told her if something happens to me, just stop by here on a Saturday morning in the summer when it’s busy like it is now. Tell the guy at the service desk you need the routine service done on your L4701 but your husband died and you don’t know how to do it. You still have his truck and trailer, but you don’t feel comfortable loading it or pulling it. Matter of fact, you’ve got 70 acres, two houses, a 5 acre pond full of brim and bass, an elevated box blind for deer and turkey hunting, guns, Mule, tractors, more tools than any reasonable person should have. It’s all paid for, you just aren’t sure what to do with all of it. Say it loud enough to be over heard. Arrange the service and try to make it out the door. Take your pick of the guys that try to stop you. At least the guys in there will know how to take care of the place unlike some random metrosexual city dweller.

She agreed that would probably work if she couldn’t maintain the place on her own.
 
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I tend to go the other way.
I needed a post hole digger years ago to plant 100 4x4's for a dog fence. Found one on Craigslist, bought it, used it and sold it.
Ditto on a tiller. I got 'knock your socks off' prices to put in a new 3/4 acre lawn at our old house. Bought a new tiller, used it and sold it.
Ditto on my chipper.

I like to work at my own pace which usually isn't a good thing for renting.
And this is how I ended up with my tractor. Father in law had a bunch of clearing/scaping to do on the back of his property, but planned to do it at his own pace (he’s pushing 70) vs. working all day every day for a couple of weeks. For the time he had available to put in on doing that work between general house projects, and working part time after his second retirement rental costs for a small machine would’ve been about half the cost of a Bx. Once he finished with it I just took over the payments. Given the time frame this happened he probably could’ve made profit selling it because that was right around the time all of the supply chains were going crazy a year or so into the pandemic.