RIP Ford F150e (long live the F150)
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Will not happen. Look at the galvanic series of elements.
China is producing sodium batteries now which are way cheaper, but as everything humans do those days, they do not think it through to the end. So what they do with the millions of tons of chlorine released in the production is everybodys guess.
Battery cars are a dead end in evolution due to lack of sustainability. Electronics cannot be recycled. Chemical energy storage is way superior and the whole distribution network exists already. If you want it CO2 neutral use e-fuels or plant based fuels.
This is no surprise. You are seeing Finance deals on EV and Hybrids now. There were none a year ago. With the lackluster sales, they are clearing inventory people aren't interested in
Nope. Not even close to being fine. They just happen to be the best we have at the moment. That's a very different thing.
Lithium batteries are not even remotely efficient, and they are horrible for the environment.
We don't have a battery technology that is even CLOSE to making EVs viable long term.
There's nothing even theoretically in development, either.
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The same negative responses and thinking happened when they introduced catalytic converters in automobiles, now no one even thinks about them.
Things change and a lot of people don't like or accept change!
Have you driven a EV or a BEV?
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My ex neighbor had one (F150 Lightening) on order during covid. I believe it was upwards of $115K. he cancelled his order since the wait was too long. He got a rivian instead. Went for a ride with him once. Yes, its very fast. He told me that it's trailer tow rating was like 10K or something. I laughed. It may be 10K rated...for what, 50 miles tops?What???? Really?????
Whats not to “love" about an $80,000 truck that can’t even go 200 miles towing a trailer?
"Color me shocked"
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What a hideous looking vehicle (IMO). I'm not a fan.
Edit: not a fan of EV's, they just aren't for me. I do however like my F150. 2018 Screw 6.5 with a 400 HP V8. Just turned 20K miles on it.
I was surprised our local Portland liberal news channel let a reporter do a news story on his neighbors. A older couple(70's) went and bought a new chev electric something. They had it six months and traded it for some small suv thing. The couple said it was just a PIA to always be thinking if they traveled from mid coast were they lived to Freeport or Portland they needed to find a charger to make it back home. They said a good car. But not for them.
While EVs do have their place, it's NOT ion my driveway. Had an E-stang here for 2-3 hours, total POS, and I'm being nice. I'd seriously look at a reg cab short box E-pickup but so far none meet my minimal requirements.
A guy the next road over bought a electric suv 2 years ago and traded it in less then 6 months. When temperatures got below zero charging it cost a fortune. Apparently when you leave them outside there are heaters in the batteries that use a tremendous amount of electric when exposed to 5 below zero wind chills. Plus the range was very short with the heater, lights, defroster, and everything required for winter driving turned on. Could barely make Rochester 40 miles away in a winter storm. Definitely not good for cold areas with high electric rates and not many chargers at workplaces.
Physics is neither optimistic nor pessimistic. It just IS. Same for economics, by the way. Both say our present technology is not viable, and no amount of pie-in-the-sky will change that.
We could have a breakthrough in hydrogen fusion power tomorrow, and it would not change the vehicle picture at all. The bottleneck is storage, and we are not anywhere near to solving that problem with anything we know about today.
Irrelevant. Whether I have ever driven one or not has nothing at all to do with whether or not our present battery technology is viable.
By the way, I have.
i'm not a hater, for me its simply about picking the right tool for the job.
So being a brutally simple guy for me the lightening is fantastic for short trips, mall hops, charging at home. Fails miserably for long drives more than say 200 miles, in deep winter like -30, and for towing. A simple energy density thingy in my pea sized mind.
just don't force it down my throat is my only hate.
I also wouldn't grap my dewalt cordless when a mag drill is better suited. right tool for the job thingy again. Downside is having so many right tools can be expensive!!
So being a brutally simple guy for me the lightening is fantastic for short trips, mall hops, charging at home. Fails miserably for long drives more than say 200 miles, in deep winter like -30, and for towing. A simple energy density thingy in my pea sized mind.
just don't force it down my throat is my only hate.
I also wouldn't grap my dewalt cordless when a mag drill is better suited. right tool for the job thingy again. Downside is having so many right tools can be expensive!!
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Yes right tool for the job, wouldn't expect my wife's Lyric to do what My duramax diesel can do.
Are they right for everyone, nope.
I also wouldn't do an electric if I didn't have a proper place to charge it and if it was needed for a lot of miles per trip.
My wife's Cadillac Lyric EV, Costs us less per month to own and operate than her old 2008 Cadillac SRX.
We have the perfect conditions for an electric.
We don't need it to drive long distances.
We can charge it at home, in a heated garage, and our electric is a good price per KWH.
Yes, but few people do.
And then there's the terrible damage that lithium batteries do to the environment. That story is not being told.
Yet.
This was an interesting and timely decision on Ford as I'm in the middle of evaluating our first year EV pilot using two Lightning's . I manage the fleet for a large water utility in Northern VA and our board wanted to test the viability of EVs. They did not take the recommendations from my manager or me and instructed me to purchase two F-150 Lightning Pros, one standard range and one extended range, ~$53k and $63k respectivly. For a water utility, timeliness and 24/7 work responses dictate that assets be available at a moment's notice for days on end at times. Also, being able to haul the needed tools. Sorry, a 5.5' bed on a pickup truck is not useful in any trade. The temp swings also vastly affected eMPG. In the hot and cold months, they were in the ~12eMpg range, while an ICE F-150 was consistently in the 17MPG range year-round (and has a usable bed.) There is a time and place for EV technology, an emergency response vehicle is not that use case.
. I manage the fleet for a large water utility in Northern VA and our board wanted to test the viability of EVs. They did not take the recommendations from my manager or me and instructed me to purchase two F-150 Lightning Pros, one standard range and one extended range, ~$53k and $63k respectivly. For a water utility, timeliness and 24/7 work responses dictate that assets be available at a moment's notice for days on end at times. Also, being able to haul the needed tools. Sorry, a 5.5' bed on a pickup truck is not useful in any trade. The temp swings also vastly affected eMPG. In the hot and cold months, they were in the ~12eMpg range, while an ICE F-150 was consistently in the 17MPG range year-round (and has a usable bed.) There is a time and place for EV technology, an emergency response vehicle is not that use case.For giggles, I went to Ford Canada's website and got the cost for the SMALL battery, $43.885.05 + dealer install + disposal fee + 13% taxes. Now I'm sure they'll say it needs a new top cover ( +-,$1800) + 'shop supplies'. When 'out the door, you'll be over $50,000 Canucks, so 1/2 price of the entire truck ! Someone did the math for an ICE, came back with just under $15,000.The BIG issue right now is IF Ford will supply batteries 8 years from now as they do NOT have to.
given the amount of energy batteries of those size contain I wonder how that is going to work out for us?
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