Rebuilding a hydraulic pump on a M6800?

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Planning ahead.

Can anyone recommend a shop on where to send a pump to thinking it'll be cheaper than the $2K for a new one?

I live in upstate NY but this could be easily shipped.

Thanks -- Gus
When gear pumps wear out they are not generally rebuildable. How have you determined yours needs rebuilding/replacement?

Dan
 

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When gear pumps wear out they are not generally rebuildable.

I don't know enough about the question to have an opinion, but that statement intrigued me. So I did what we do these days - I did a search and read a bunch of information.

I found companies offering rebuilds, so apparently it CAN be done (at least on some pumps). I also found a bunch of info that said basically, "Yes, it can be done, but it's not worth the time or hassle. You don't get much out of it." Interestingly, I did not find any rebuttal to that viewpoint.

One of the most interesting bits of information came from a company that rebuilds them. This company that clearly profits from rebuilding pumps, basically said it's going to cost you about half the price of a new one, and will get you about half the life of a new one.

The only advantage they offered over buying new OEM was they promised less downtime, because apparently getting the OEM can take quite a while.

I think if I were a large commercial operator I could afford to keep one or two on hand to avoid that downtime.
 
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I don't know enough about the question to have an opinion, but that statement intrigued me. So I did what we do these days - I did a search and read a bunch of information.

I found companies offering rebuilds, so apparently it CAN be done (at least on some pumps). I also found a bunch of info that said basically, "Yes, it can be done, but it's not worth the time or hassle. You don't get much out of it." Interestingly, I did not find any rebuttal to that viewpoint.

One of the most interesting bits of information came from a company that rebuilds them. This company that clearly profits from rebuilding pumps, basically said it's going to cost you about half the price of a new one, and will get you about half the life of a new one.

The only advantage they offered over buying new OEM was they promised less downtime, because apparently getting the OEM can take quite a while.

I think if I were a large commercial operator I could afford to keep one or two on hand to avoid that downtime.
A lot depends on the pump. Some pumps are designed to be rebuildable and others are not. Rebuildable pumps typically have some form of sacrificial wear plates that can be easily replaced

In the case of this pump the only parts available are the seals and there are no wear plates although the bushings may perform that function. The major wear components that are the source of widened ckearances and lost pressure ,(slip) are not available. That would be items A-H in this parts diagram. Some or all of them would have to be made from scratch. Thats expensive.

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Aluminum body gear pumps are cheap to make and new aftermarket pumps are availsble for under $300. Kubota's markup is insane.

Dan
 
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Planning ahead for options based on age and use. Lift cylinders are seeming weaker.
There are several reasons the "lift Cylinders can seem weaker":
Clogged suction side of pump.
Mal adjusted / damaged pressure relief valve.
Bad / damaged quick disconnects.
Bad seals in one or both lift cylinders.
Bad spool valve.
Bad / mal adjusted loader control linkage.

Before just throwing parts at it, do some serious tests.
 
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I don't know enough about the question to have an opinion, but that statement intrigued me. So I did what we do these days - I did a search and read a bunch of information.

I found companies offering rebuilds, so apparently it CAN be done (at least on some pumps). I also found a bunch of info that said basically, "Yes, it can be done, but it's not worth the time or hassle. You don't get much out of it." Interestingly, I did not find any rebuttal to that viewpoint.

One of the most interesting bits of information came from a company that rebuilds them. This company that clearly profits from rebuilding pumps, basically said it's going to cost you about half the price of a new one, and will get you about half the life of a new one.

The only advantage they offered over buying new OEM was they promised less downtime, because apparently getting the OEM can take quite a while.

I think if I were a large commercial operator I could afford to keep one or two on hand to avoid that downtime.
There are hydraulic pumps and there are hydraulic pumps. Yes, some are "rebuildable" so there are obviously businesses that do that sort of work. In this case the pump in question is an aluminum body gear pump. Those are typically NOT affordably rebuildable. Re "sealing" these pumps is commonly done but that's a different story than a re "build". Seal "kits" are usually readily available for this type of pump but that's about all. Depending on what the problems are, the overall condition of the pump, prices / availability, budget concerns , expected results, ETC all factor into the mix.

I've resealed a number of gear pumps over the years but usually only if the problem is mostly leak related and the pump flow/pressure tests check out before the work is done.
 
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Thank you for sensible replies. Need to get the testing done to make a good decision. I don't see any external leaks on the lift cylinders.
I've lifted a lot of logs to my sawmill that bring the rear end off the ground and just barely get the logs on the mill or blocking on the side of the mill track abuses the tractor.
Almost 70 and thinking about is it time to get a cab tractor for winter in the NE and the trade offs of repairs versus payments .
Hard to sort out the power benefits of the new models.
 
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Thank you for sensible replies. Need to get the testing done to make a good decision. I don't see any external leaks on the lift cylinders.
I've lifted a lot of logs to my sawmill that bring the rear end off the ground and just barely get the logs on the mill or blocking on the side of the mill track abuses the tractor.
Almost 70 and thinking about is it time to get a cab tractor for winter in the NE and the trade offs of repairs versus payments .
Hard to sort out the power benefits of the new models.
If you think you have lost loader lifting power buy a pressure gsuge and hook it to the lift port on your loader valve
Then move the joystick to lift position, hold it there, and read pressure. If its at or near specification the loss would be in the cylinders.


Dan
 
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