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[retroman]

I have a 2002 3010 with a Woods loader up front. I would like to use the tractors hydraulics to operate a firewood splitter attached to the three point hitch but I can,t figure out where to hook up the splitters hydraulic lines. Can I use any of the lines that operate the loader? If not, where can I get some hydraulic power?

Bob

 

[jimh406]

I think you have to put remotes on. Some splitters run off the pto and there are some pro hydraulic pumps.

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

You can run it off of a loader control, but it's not anywhere close to ideal.
You would have to hold the control in the open position.

Better would be to add a rear remote and run it off of that.
You will find that operation of splitter is still going to be really slow.

 

[Bee-Positive]

From the L3010 WSM pt2 on kubotabooks.com

 

[GreensvilleJay]

1st .. lookup the GPM and PSI that the tractor has available , compare to the log splitter needs
There's been several 'threads' about using log splitter using tractor and 99.44% say not really practical. usually the GPM is far from ideal, so sloooooooow cycle times. IF splitter will be dedicated to YOUR tractor,then no worries about oil contamination. Mounting of the splitter can be 'interesting'. Then ther's the safety aspect.

Gas powered splitters are cheap, easy to use and allow tractor to be used while splitting. If splitter's on the 3PH, well, can't haul the firewood. If attached on the loader, better but it's a long walk to haul wood to the trailer on the back of tractor every log !

It'd be nice to hear from those with tractor mounted splitters to hear what they have to say.

big question is how much wood( cords ) are you splitting ?

just playing the 'devil's advocate' here.....

 

[JasonW]

Do you already have a hydraulic 3pt splitter? Does it have its own valve?

Starting with nothing it might be cost effective to buy a stand alone gas splitter.

I had a hydraulic 3pt splitter that had its own valve that I was able to run with my L3800. Using what would be the backhoe hydraulic hookups.
I sold it with the tractor and later found a like new standalone gas splitter.

Edit to add. The 3pt splitter I had was horizontal only and mounted lengthwise with the tractor. I have seen some that mount perpendicular to the tractor to reduce the overall length.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I have a 2002 3010 with a Woods loader up front. I would like to use the tractors hydraulics to operate a firewood splitter attached to the three point hitch but I can,t figure out where to hook up the splitters hydraulic lines. Can I use any of the lines that operate the loader? If not, where can I get some hydraulic power?

Bob

Assuming the 3pt splitter has irs own control valve you dont need or want remotes on the tractor. You hook it into tje power beyond circuit like a backhoe.

To do that I put a quick coupler on the loader PB port. Then use it to hook in the splitter.

1. Shut tractor off and disconnect the coupler
2. Hook the IN hose on the splitter to female coupler on the loader PB port.
3. Hook Tank hose on splitter to male coupler on loader PB hose.
4. Restart tractor

Just like a backhoe the tractor must be turned off whenever you make or break that PB connection.

Dan

 

[Trash Panda]

The lack of hydraulic flow on your 3010 is going to make that splitter run horribly slow. 7gpm is pedestrian, It’s nothing like a skid steer.

PTO kit for a higher flow rate, or a cheap gas splitter will be your friend.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Lots of naysayers but very little help with your question.

So here is a real life data point. This is my 3pt log splitter on a L3901. Same flow rate as your L3010 and if you check the time stamp on the video you will see its a scant 16 second cycle time. Thats not a world record but its far from pedestrian and plenty fast enough for this 75 year old working alone. Any faster and the splitter would simply be waiting on me.

The "secret" here is the splitter has been upgraded with a $150 regenerative valve. Same technology as fast dump on a Kubota loader bucket.

Dan

 

[Trash Panda]

Lots of naysayers but very little help with your question.

So here is a real life data point. This is my 3pt log splitter on a L3901. Same flow rate as your L3010 and if you check the time stamp on the video you will see its a scant 16 second cycle time. Thats not a world record but its far from pedestrian and plenty fast enough for this 75 year old working alone. Any faster and the splitter would simply be waiting on me.

The "secret" here is the splitter has been upgraded with a $150 regenerative valve. Same technology as fast dump on a Kubota loader bucket.

Dan

For those of us not quite of that vintage, that would be a frustratingly slow splitter operation time. I’d pull my hair out.

It will work off tractor hydros, it just won’t be as good as almost any other option, is all I’m saying.

 

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[TheOldHokie]

For those of us not quite of that vintage, that would be a frustratingly slow splitter operation time. I’d pull my hair out.

It will work off tractor hydros, it just won’t be as good as almost any other option, is all I’m saying.

I dont share that opinion and for me its far and away the best option going. People need to back off and quit trying to tell other people whats best for them.
Thats all I am saying.

Dan

 

[GreensvilleJay]

Lots of naysayers but very little help with your question.

So here is a real life data point. This is my 3pt log splitter on a L3901. Same flow rate as your L3010 and if you check the time stamp on the video you will see its a scant 16 second cycle time. Thats not a world record but its far from pedestrian and plenty fast enough for this 75 year old working alone. Any faster and the splitter would simply be waiting on me.

The "secret" here is the splitter has been upgraded with a $150 regenerative valve. Same technology as fast dump on a Kubota loader bucket.

Dan

sure it will 'work' but that's why I asked how much firewood to be split. It'll take a 'month of sundays' to split a cord of firewood using a tractor mounted/powered splitter.
Sweet setup I saw years ago, gas powered splitter mounted on the tongue of a dump trailer. Split and toss into trailer, raise it up a bit, wood tumbles to back . when done, haul trailer to 'stacking' location...dump and stack.

 

[TheOldHokie]

sure it will 'work' but that's why I asked how much firewood to be split. It'll take a 'month of sundays' to split a cord of firewood using a tractor mounted/powered splitter.
Sweet setup I saw years ago, gas powered splitter mounted on the tongue of a dump trailer. Split and toss into trailer, raise it up a bit, wood tumbles to back . when done, haul trailer to 'stacking' location...dump and stack.

I split 2-3 cords over a year.of Sundays

Dan

 

[NCL4701]

Lots of naysayers but very little help with your question.

So here is a real life data point. This is my 3pt log splitter on a L3901. Same flow rate as your L3010 and if you check the time stamp on the video you will see its a scant 16 second cycle time. Thats not a world record but its far from pedestrian and plenty fast enough for this 75 year old working alone. Any faster and the splitter would simply be waiting on me.

The "secret" here is the splitter has been upgraded with a $150 regenerative valve. Same technology as fast dump on a Kubota loader bucket.

Dan

Watched video. Unloaded cycle time is comparable to the bare bones 40 year old dedicated gas 20 ton my father and/or I have used to heat our houses for 40 years. By myself, I spend about 20 hours a year splitting and stacking enough to heat the 2000sf of my house heated with wood. Quicker with 2 people but I don’t have help these days. That’s good enough for my purposes.

Question I’ve always had on these wood splitter on tractor threads but never asked. Do you have to compensate for lower pressure from the tractor with a comparatively larger cylinder? Or do you use the old ax splitter’s method, leave the knotty messes in the woods?

Probably obvious, but the reason I ask is the few box store type splitters I’ve used (like mine) have two stage pumps with the high pressure limit around 3600psi, which is about 1000psi over what most smallish tractors are putting out. Seems like if the motor on my splitter crapped out and I “fixed” it by plumbing it into my tractor’s hydraulics, I might or might not be satisfied with the speed, but it would be a significant downgrade in maximum force available.

BTW, the Honda on my wood splitter will probably outlast me. Not planning to change anything with my current setup. Just curious.

 

[TheOldHokie]

Watched video. Unloaded cycle time is comparable to the bare bones 40 year old dedicated gas 20 ton my father and/or I have used to heat our houses for 40 years. By myself, I spend about 20 hours a year splitting and stacking enough to heat the 2000sf of my house heated with wood. Quicker with 2 people but I don’t have help these days. That’s good enough for my purposes.

Question I’ve always had on these wood splitter on tractor threads but never asked. Do you have to compensate for lower pressure from the tractor with a comparatively larger cylinder? Or do you use the old ax splitter’s method, leave the knotty messes in the woods?

Probably obvious, but the reason I ask is the few box store type splitters I’ve used (like mine) have two stage pumps with the high pressure limit around 3600psi, which is about 1000psi over what most smallish tractors are putting out. Seems like if the motor on my splitter crapped out and I “fixed” it by plumbing it into my tractor’s hydraulics, I might or might not be satisfied with the speed, but it would be a significant downgrade in maximum force available.

BTW, the Honda on my wood splitter will probably outlast me. Not planning to change anything with my current setup. Just curious.

Its a 4.5" cylinder running @2350 PSI which results in a bit over 18 ton of splitting forcre. I have not had anything it wont split but most of my feedstock is dead ash with a little red oak. Locust. and elm mixed in. Max diameter is maybe 30" with most stuff closer to 20" Nasty crotchs can require some analysis.

Now here is food for thought. When splitting a round I fast extend till the wedge stalls then back off to get full f I rce and the round cracks. In most cases you can "throttle up" and finish the stroke in fast extend. In other words you really only need full pressure for a small. portion of the stroke and in many cases you dont even need the full stroke. Obviously thats going to vary based on the wood you are splitting.

Its auto return so as soon as it starts to retract I am free to load the next round. Just like the forward stroke many times I can get the round loaded and cancel the return stroke early to save a couple more seconds.

Sounds complicated but you get the rhythm pretty quick.

Dan

 

[NCL4701]

Its a 4.5" cylinder running @2350 PSI which results in a bit over 18 ton of splitting forcre. I have not had anything it wont split but most of my feedstock is dead ash with a little red oak. Locust. and elm mixed in. Max diameter is maybe 30" with most stuff closer to 20" Nasty crotchs can require some analysis.

Now here is food for thought. When splitting a round I fast extend till the wedge stalls then back off to get full f I rce and the round cracks. In most cases you can "throttle up" and finish the stroke in fast extend. In other words you really only need full pressure for a small. portion of the stroke and in many cases you dont even need the full stroke. Obviously thats going to vary based on the wood you are splitting.

Its auto return so as soon as it starts to retract I am free to load the next round. Just like the forward stroke many times I can get the round loaded and cancel the return stroke early to save a couple more seconds.

Sounds complicated but you get the rhythm pretty quick.

Dan

Makes sense. You’re getting a little less force from a little bigger cylinder. My version of “throttle up” on an uncooperative round is stay the course and it will shift to high pressure. Probably takes a bit less skill than what you’re doing.

Otherwise, process sounds identical. Like you said, you get a rhythm going and it goes pretty quick.

Thanks for the answer.

 

[Hugo Habicht]

This is my 3pt log splitter on a L3901. Same flow rate as your L3010 and if you check the time stamp on the video you will see its a scant 16 second cycle time. Thats not a world record but its far from pedestrian and plenty fast enough for this 75 year old working alone. Any faster and the splitter would simply be waiting on me.

Hi Dan,

the forward motion is pretty fast I think, only return could be faster. Is that a single acting cylinder?

 

[TheOldHokie]

Hi Dan,

the forward motion is pretty fast I think, only return could be faster. Is that a single acting cylinder?

Double acting cylinder but just like a loader regen is only available during extend which is why return is slower. Way better than a non-regenerative valve and in this application the difference is much more pronounced than fast dump on the loader.

Dan

 

[g_man]

After a life time of splitting wood with a maul and wedges when I was 67 I bought a used 22 ton Husky. I was really curious as to how much it took to split wood so I put a pressure gauge on it. To my surprise it very rarely took more than 10 ton. Of course I knew how to place the block for easiest splitting by then. Just a FYI that applies to the wood I split.

gg