Dirty people

[bearbait]

A little back ground first. I'm lucky enough to have a 7 acre parcel of land that my parents left to me that I built my cottage on which is now my home. Probably been 15 years or so since we drove the first nail. When I first started I thought I'd be only getting here by boat since the small piece of land is surrounded by water on 3 sides with 400 acres of crown land on the other side which has the only logging road that runs close to my property. Well I fought for over 2 years trying to get an easement to use the road and finally won the battle which I now maintain at my own expense. When I first got here I started looking after the crown land as if it were my own. Many people used the small beach that is on the crown land, most good however some not so much. Monday mornings I always do a clean up (garbage day) on the main road picking up any garbage people throw out their car windows and I also clean up the beach and road into my place. It's a good opportunity to take my dogs for a drive on the bike. Well when I first started it would be normal to pick up as much as 4 to 5 bags of garbage most of it being on the beach. I should add first off sorry about being so long winded. Well being a short guy it's funny I haven't been beat up many time for getting in people's faces but when I feel I'm right I'm 6'6 in my own mind. Well after so many years of being in their face and being kind to most the littering has all but stopped until a few weeks ago. I was in my boat fishing and when I got to the beach I saw 2 women and a couple kids who started talking to me so I shut down the boat motor and had a chat. This is when one of the ladies informed me that they were from the micmac First Nation and that they were claiming the land as their own but assured me that they were very clean none drinking people. Well 2 weeks later I found out different. To my relief DNR is making a stand and kicking them off the beach. Once again I'm very sorry about being so long winded but here is how the beach looked after only 2 weeks. Very disturbing to a guy who is more than a bit OCD about keeping everything clean. Sorry just felt like I needed to vent.

 

[mickeyd]

A lot of people feel that if they didn't have to pay for something then it isn't worth taking care of or cleaning up.

It is really sad that there are so many of those types out there. That is why National Parks and most states will bill you for cleanup if you leave a campsite messed up.

 

[Daren Todd]

Ok brother B. Can you explain how they can show up and stake claim to the land Especially if it already belongs to someone else?

 

[mickeyd]

They did that in Alaska and after a long federal court fight won all the good hunting and fishing places. You could still go there but now it cost an arm and a leg to do so.

 

[bearbait]

Ok brother B. Can you explain how they can show up and stake claim to the land Especially if it already belongs to someone else?

The land is crown land which means it belongs to the people of Nova Scotia, the government. These people are indigenous and 4 or 5 years back they went to court with DNR trying to claim the 400 acres but they lost the case. I really don't know how they thought they could set up camp and claim the land but they do seem to have more rights then me. My concern is the mess they left in such a short time which I believe is their way of marking their territory like a dog pissing on a tree. For me this has nothing to do with colour nor race, it has everything to do with respect.

 

[Daren Todd]

The land is crown land which means it belongs to the people of Nova Scotia, the government. These people are indigenous and 4 or 5 years back they went to court with DNR trying to claim the 400 acres but they lost the case. I really don't know how they thought they could set up camp and claim the land but they do seem to have more rights then me. My concern is the mess they left in such a short time which I believe is their way of marking their territory like a dog pissing on a tree. For me this has nothing to do with colour nor race, it has everything to do with respect.

I can agree with you there. A pig is a pig. Neighbors at the beginning of our street are trying to sell there place. House across the street from them was a foreclosure due to the owner passing away. Bank came in and fixed the fence and mowed the property.

Well a local veterinarian bought the place and moved in. You would think the place would be kept neat and tidy. Nope, He's a hoarder He's hauled more crap into the place, burning trash in his front yard, his fence is falling over, and the place looks like crap now. Hard to ask for a premium price with a view like that.To put it mildly, when he goes, they will probably need to just torch the place and start over.

I'm in a similar situation with my property. House is a rental next door. Privacy fence is 30 years old and falling over. Tenants won't mow the yard, ect..... I replaced half the privacy fence along the border to keep my dogs contained in my yard. Can't get the owner to replace the other half. All the owner has to do is buy new pickets. I'll install them for free. I'll end up fixing it and invoicing him for the cost of the repairs so it doesn't bring down my property value when we get ready to sell our place.

 

[sdk1968]

was gonna say that this sort of sounds like a "squatter" down here in the states..

they show up, claim it as theirs & if no one makes them leave in a certain amount of time... it becomes "theirs".

hey gonna send you a PM... got some friends in NS..

 

[CaveCreekRay]

Looking at those pictures reminded me of the trash left behind north of our southern border. The illegal non-American invaders leave tons and tons of trash along the washes and ravines they traverse while entering our country. Its a cultural issue in Mexico where chucking trash out your car window is routine and carries zero social stigma. Its nothing in South Phoenix for people to dump whole pick-up loads of trash in dead end roads or other remote areas. I had a landscape crew dump cactus cuttings on my property that took me twelve bucket loads in my Kubota to get to the trash...

I volunteer to pick up trash along a mile-long section of road in my town. Lots of folks do the same near their homes. I find a little paper or plastic trash after the garbage trucks leave on garbage day but what I find most is Hispanic beer and drink cans, beer bottles, and Spanish-labeled food containers hurled from cars or sucked from open pick-up beds. We have loads of construction workers traversing this stretch of highway as well as some independent landscaper crews.

Its a reality many never experience. Good on you for trying to make a difference and keep your place pristine and natural.

 

[D2Cat]

A little off topic, but funny.

A couple of years ago the REA (power company) was in the process of replacing hundreds of poles in the area near my farm. As they got closer I talked to the supervisor and asked him if it would be easier for his crew to work from the inside of the fence instead of from the road/ditch. About 8-10 poles would be on my property.

He said that would be nice. I would leave the gate unlocked and when they left for the day to be sure to lock the gate. I'd be back in the morning to open it again.

Came back the next day and back off the road about 300' I had a gooseneck trailer parked. On the side of the trailer away from the road was a bunch of trash. As I walked over there I saw it was a mess of toilet paper. Someone went back there, took a dump, wiped his butt and left half of a roll of paper everywhere.

I took a shovel, dug a hole and buried the "crap"!

The supervisor had given me his business card, and told me to contact him if I needed something. I called him, found out where he was located and went to see him. Told him the situation. He and his crew were from Arkansas. (No offense to anyone) but I knew this from his card.

So as I explained what I discovered after I tried to help them with their job I was disappointed in how they treated my property. I mentioned all those trucks had shovels on them and if a guy is going to take a dump someplace they can surely take a shovel along with them to do what I had to do to fix his mess. I was pretty plain in my description. I asked him if that's how construction workers did things in Arkansas!

We parted company.

He came back by the farm within half an hour. He said, "See those guys up there working? That guy up in the bucket of that boom truck is the one who did that. He is coming down here to apologize to you."

I was looking for a couple of calves and ended up about 500' from where they were setting a pole. The guy up in the boom yelled out to me, said he was very sorry for the situation and would never do that again anywhere.

I visited with him briefly, accepted his apology and went on.

I often though about that poor guy and the grief he must have gotten from his fellow workers. Wonder what his nick name became?

 

[CaveCreekRay]

Len,

I find soiled TP periodically on my trash walks. For some reason, that is a Mexican habit as well. I have a bathroom in my barn and they won't flush toilet paper. They throw it in the waste basket. I finally had to tell the Hispanic crew super to tell the guys to flush the used TP.

I am not making this up.

 

[bearbait]

Did you ever think that maybe we're the strange ones cause we sure seem to be out numbered. That is precisely why I'm so worried, my land would be worth nothing if they get their way. DNR eased my worry a little bit by telling me they would never hand it over to them however I also know $hit happens.

 

[Lil Foot]

A few years ago. I belonged to a metal detecting club in the Phoenix area. The head researcher, the VP of the club, asked me to accompany him to the border west of Nogales, AZ for a scouting trip to try and locate US cavalry camp sites along the border. (I think he only asked me for the security (armament) that he knew I would be carrying.
The first thing we noticed was the incredible amount of trash left by the illegal border crossers. There were areas miles long, miles deep along the border where you could not put a foot down without stepping on trash. Paper, clothes, diapers, water bottles, food cans, bags, cardboard, and most of all, excrement. All the trees & bushes were festooned with garbage. We kept moving, trying to find an area clean enough to search without stepping in land mines. Border patrol checked on us a couple times, warning us that smugglers would Kill us & take our trucks. (fat chance) They kept us under surveillance for two days. We met a rancher whose family had homesteaded & ranched the area for 80+ years, and this wonderful 80yr old cowboy ended up crying when he discussed the way illegals had trashed his beautiful desert ranch, stole his belongings, & broke into his home. It was heartbreaking. The second day we moved about 25 miles further west, where the whole scenario was repeated- trash, crap, warnings from border patrol, and there we met a 60+yr old woman whose family had ranched the area for nearly 100yrs. She also got a little teary when talking about the situation. I try hard not to be racist, but those aren't the Swiss or Icelanders pouring across the border.

 

[Lil Foot]

Did you ever think that maybe we're the strange ones cause we sure seem to be out numbered.

I worry about that everyday, especially around election time. Unless something changes, someday soon they will outnumber us at the polls, and it will all be over.

 

[Daren Todd]

Len,

I find soiled TP periodically on my trash walks. For some reason, that is a Mexican habit as well. I have a bathroom in my barn and they won't flush toilet paper. They throw it in the waste basket. I finally had to tell the Hispanic crew super to tell the guys to flush the used TP.

I am not making this up.

I think it has to do with the septic system constraints in that country.

 

[sdk1968]

man o man..... those last few posts remind me of why i live where i do...


my Wife is from Phoenix & those are the kinds of stories she tells me about out there... & why she moved to here in hillbilly country.

we may be hillbilly's.... but at least we know to bury our crap & flush a toilet.

guess i wont complain about the Amish horse shittin all over my road anymore.

it obviously could be way worse.