Trying to figure out how to trench beside road…

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Hmmm… well, it would get me most of the way. Still a bit shallow of a cut, I could use about half again as much To leave more of the road..
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Ha… yea, sorry about that! I got busy, kept forgetting to shoot it, then I had it done. Sigh.
didn't think anyone was interested once I got it dug out!

and it’s raining again….. so got it done just in time! Hopefully, I won’t lose so much of my road this storm….
The reason I started this post is that the last (week long+ storm) clogged up the ditches in a couple of places and had a couple of days to play on the road before I found it. After I changed the linkage on my 3pt, I managed to get my box scraper up at pretty much the same angle as some of the referenced back blades… without spending 4 to 6k. So went ahead and dug out as much as I could (it was still just behind my tires, so made the road a little “thinner” in places). On a side benefit, it gave me a nicely angled blade that I could easily gouge diagonal tracks across the road in places!

Supposed to be another week long rain stream... with any luck, I just have to pick up fallen branches/trees this time.
thanks for all the ideas!
Cheers!
Yes, I want to see the configuration of the ditch that has/had you stumped. Show us, at least, a view from one end so we see the trees and other obstacles.
 
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Without benefit of pictures to go by, sounds as if some arrangement of a Middle Buster might do what you need.....if you plan to use your tractor.

Otherwise, a small excavator would be my choice. Best of luck with it.
 

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These work pretty well for what you are describing.... rent one with a wide cleanout bucket and have at it.

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Okay, so I underestimated the curiosity of the group.. sorry about that!
here are a couple of pics of the trouble spots…

rd2 is the easier section, half of it anyway. Rd3 is the worst spot. It‘s also the one that usually causes problems.. the other side occasionally causes issues, but thats lower in my list, since I can cut diagonally and have it run down the side.
still, I may put in some kind of baffle, as it often clogs and I end up with the corner washing out and then down the road. It just does it slower. The other side has a neighbors run off from his driveway As well as my own.
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Yep you need a Mini EX to deal with that ditch.
 
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I'd have my BH77 backhoe hooked up and be on that job with it first. Operator experience finesse is required to cut and shape shallow trenches off to the side like that.
Before reading your couldn't straddle the excavation area my first thought was to use a moldboard plow, then shape with a boxblade.
 

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looks like what I could really use is some type of middle buster, but mounted on the side of my box scraper…. Yes, side torque, but i dont think it would excessive compared to hitting a rock on one side!
Haven’t read this thread in a while. Seems like the consensus is you need a mini-ex to clean out an existing ditch (not dig a new ditch, just clean loose material out of an existing shallow ditch). Requirements for digging a ditch v routinely cleaning an existing ditch are sort of similar but also quite different. If you’re hitting large rocks and large roots, that’s not routine ditch cleaning maintenance. That’s cutting a new ditch or recutting a ditch that’s been neglected for a very long time.

Looked at your pics. If you’re cutting new ditches or they’ve been neglected so long there are large roots in them, I understand why an excavator would be ideal and maybe necessary. Unless you’re already a proficient excavator operator, I’d hire that out if that’s what you need.

Long term maintenance need is routine cleaning. Cleaning relatively loose material (dirt, leaves, gravel, etc.) out of existing ditches, I don’t know why you’d need anything other than an offset blade. An adjustable side link on both sides of the three point (one adjusted full up, the other full down) or a blade that tilts to add to the three point tilt ability is sometimes helpful if you need more blade tilt. If you want an offset ripper, you can get a three shank ripper and take off the shanks you don’t need. I have an old home made one buried in the back of the shed somewhere. If you ever use an offset ground engaging implement of any type, go slow and be ready to stop quickly if it catches on something. If it catches a big rock, big root, etc. it can spin the tractor into a hard turn very quickly. Not a big deal if you’re aware and paying attention,
 
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I have cleaned out a ditch with my loader bucket. It's a slow process by digging one bucket width at a time. Position the tractor 90 degrees from the ditch and scoop out a bucket. Move the tractor over and do it again.
This is how I do it when the earth is soft. If I encounter difficulty I break it up a bit with the hoe.
 

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I'd clear cut back at least 5-8' on both sides before creating ditches. Ideally have 8' on BOTH sides of the 10' laneway.
Not really an option. I’d have to build the land out.. i.e., at the bottom of the turn in the second photo, I have about 2-3’ on the sides. The 400’ drop off on the left, and the stream on the right would be a bit of a problem.

And of course, I enjoy my trees way too much to cut that many down!
 

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hmm, those 'features didn't really show well in the photos. You could redirect the stream. I know bulldozers and 30% TNT sticks work very well to do that . So, you've got a challenge !!!
 

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Haven’t read this thread in a while. Seems like the consensus is you need a mini-ex to clean out an existing ditch
That does seem to be the larger consensus…. But a single extended back blade is the second choice. My only issue was getting the angle up high enough that it was deeper than wide.

Requirements for digging a ditch v routinely cleaning an existing ditch are sort of similar but also quite different. If you’re hitting large rocks and large roots, that’s not routine ditch cleaning maintenance. That’s cutting a new ditch or recutting a ditch that’s been neglected for a very long time.
Nope. Clear it every winter. Sometimes after a big storm (like the one just past), too!
Which was why I was wondering if there was something easier.

Looked at your pics. If you’re cutting new ditches or they’ve been neglected so long there are large roots in them, I understand why an excavator would be ideal and maybe necessary. Unless you’re already a proficient excavator operator, I’d hire that out if that’s what you need.
I don’t think I need to go the excavator route, as I’m mostly maintaining, or occasionally re-routing.

Long term maintenance need is routine cleaning. Cleaning relatively loose material (dirt, leaves, gravel, etc.) out of existing ditches, I don’t know why you’d need anything other than an offset blade. An adjustable side link on both sides of the three point (one adjusted full up, the other full down) or a blade that tilts to add to the three point tilt ability is sometimes helpful if you need more blade tilt.
Thats what I basically did on the road sections I could drive down the side… cranked my 3pt linkage all the way to one side, then tilted it over. It still isn’t as sharp as I would like (wider than deeper), but for places where I had the space, it worked okay.

If you want an offset ripper, you can get a three shank ripper and take off the shanks you don’t need. I have an old home made one buried in the back of the shed somewhere. If you ever use an offset ground engaging implement of any type, go slow and be ready to stop quickly if it catches on something. If it catches a big rock, big root, etc. it can spin the tractor into a hard turn very quickly. Not a big deal if you’re aware and paying attention,
No big roots, unless you count the tree trunks! The only place I have to hand trench is near the bottom of the turn, and I don’t have to do that often if it doesn’t overflow uphill.
So for now, I think I’m good. I’ll look into a back blade. If nothing else, I can trim/weld/fit a sharper angle on it, since that’s pretty much all I’d use it for.

Thanks All!
 
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hmm, those 'features didn't really show well in the photos. You could redirect the stream. I know bulldozers and 30% TNT sticks work very well to do that . So, you've got a challenge !!!
Hahaha.. as much “fun” as that might be, I’m sure the cruddy coastal commission would have an issue! It takes 6 months or more and a lot of money to just about do anything hard scape wise here. My property is about 50’ inside the coastal zone. Sigh. My neighbor doesn’t worry about it, but I have to. If I get caught, that is! 😁😇