Rear remotes .... a slight issue and what do you have or wish you had?

[McMXi]

I noticed the other day in the M6060 that the 2nd position lever (double acting valve with float detent) won't lock into float mode. The 3rd position lever and valve are the same DAFD type and it locks in float just fine. The 1st position lever and valve are the true SCD type (self cancelling detent) which locks in both directions and will return to center automatically once the oil flow dead heads. I'm able to lock the 2nd valve and lever into float at the valve body itself so I'm assuming that the cable at the lever end needs to be adjusted.

This issue got me thinking about rear remote valves and levers in general and I'm curious to see what valve types (rear remotes) folks here like. These are the valve types I have in my tractors. I chose the remotes shown for the MX when I ordered the tractor, but only ordered the 3rd FD remote for the M6060 since it came with the 1st and 2nd positions as shown.

MX6000
1st position - standard double acting valve
2nd position - double acting valve with float detent (FD)
3rd position - standard double acting valve

M6060
1st position - double acting valve with self cancelling detent (SCD)
2nd position - double acting valve with float detent (FD)
3rd position - double acting valve with float detent (FD)

 

[Mitjam]

I noticed the other day in the M6060 that the 2nd position lever (double acting valve with float detent) won't lock into float mode. The 3rd position lever and valve are the same DAFD type and it locks in float just fine. The 1st position lever and valve are the true SCD type (self cancelling detent) which locks in both directions and will return to center automatically once the oil flow dead heads. I'm able to lock the 2nd valve and lever into float at the valve body itself so I'm assuming that the cable at the lever end needs to be adjusted.

This issue got me thinking about rear remote valves and levers in general and I'm curious to see what valve types (rear remotes) folks here like. These are the valve types I have in my tractors. I chose the remotes shown for the MX when I ordered the tractor, but only ordered the 3rd FD remote for the M6060 since it came with the 1st and 2nd positions as shown.

MX6000
1st position - standard double acting valve
2nd position - double acting valve with float detent (FD)
3rd position - standard double acting valve

M6060
1st position - double acting valve with self cancelling detent (SCD)
2nd position - double acting valve with float detent (FD)
3rd position - double acting valve with float detent (FD)

For the batwing mower I love the self returning remotes I can give it a quick little tap when I needed it lifted and same thing when lowered. I had a non return detent on my 111 I got dealer to swap it out just about ripped it off when in a hurry to lift or lower the mower I think it all depends what your running on the rear. But I found I like self returning remotes the best. I guess if you were running an orbital motor or something like that or backhoe a locking detent would be way to go.

 

[McMXi]

For the batwing mower I love the self returning remotes I can give it a quick little tap when I needed it lifted and same thing when lowered. I had a non return detent on my 111 I got dealer to swap it out just about ripped it off when in a hurry to lift or lower the mower I think it all depends what your running on the rear. But I found I like self returning remotes the best. I guess if you were running an orbital motor or something like that or backhoe a locking detent would be way to go.

I find the float detent valve to be the most useful since it works just like the standard double acting type but adds the option to lock out a function in float mode, such as the wings on a folding or batwing cutter.

The self centering/cancelling detent (SCD) type works well for hydraulic implements that need to be raised or lowered. You can lock out the lever at either end and it will return to center once the cylinder sees a significant resistance.

 

[NCL4701]

The ideal setup probably depends quite a bit on what you do with it.

1: Standard double acting. Required in position one for the L4701 if using OEM due to space restrictions.

2: Another standard double acting. Thought about putting a SCD there but couldn’t think of a use for it for my purposes. Haven’t regretted it yet. Either my use doesn’t require it or I just don’t know what I’m missing.

3: Double acting with float detent. Use float pretty often on toplink mowing. Use sometimes on sidelink grading.

I don’t have any rear implements that require hydraulics from the tractor. Only thing I use them for is top/tilt.

Got the third one only because it seemed to make sense to do it while it was no more for labor, just the additional parts. Figured I might want a backblade with hydraulic angle or a center hinged disc harrow or something else that needed that third remote someday. Might never use it.

The cost of all three was well worth it to me even if top/tilt is the only thing for which I ever use them. I seem to routinely touch up our roads and trails, fixing washed areas as soon as they start, cleaning ditches, etc. Ability to not only adjust very quickly but also adjust while moving takes the tractor to a level beyond the capabilities of a standard manual adjust three point (which is what I used for my first 40 years of tractor operating). Ability to pull in toplink on bush hog for travel and float while mowing was my initial reason for getting remotes. Float detent has worked flawlessy for that purpose. They’ve saved me many, many hours.

 

[GreensvilleJay]

If I had 2 tractors with 3 remotes, I'd have them setup the same configuration, so when swapping tractors/implements, I don't need to think which lever does what and OOOOOPSY...

 

[McMXi]

The ideal setup probably depends quite a bit on what you do with it.

1: Standard double acting. Required in position one for the L4701 if using OEM due to space restrictions.

2: Another standard double acting. Thought about putting a SCD there but couldn’t think of a use for it for my purposes. Haven’t regretted it yet. Either my use doesn’t require it or I just don’t know what I’m missing.

3: Double acting with float detent. Use float pretty often on toplink mowing. Use sometimes on sidelink grading.

I don’t have any rear implements that require hydraulics from the tractor. Only thing I use them for is top/tilt.

Got the third one only because it seemed to make sense to do it while it was no more for labor, just the additional parts. Figured I might want a backblade with hydraulic angle or a center hinged disc harrow or something else that needed that third remote someday. Might never use it.

The cost of all three was well worth it to me even if top/tilt is the only thing for which I ever use them. I seem to routinely touch up our roads and trails, fixing washed areas as soon as they start, cleaning ditches, etc. Ability to not only adjust very quickly but also adjust while moving takes the tractor to a level beyond the capabilities of a standard manual adjust three point (which is what I used for my first 40 years of tractor operating). Ability to pull in toplink on bush hog for travel and float while mowing was my initial reason for getting remotes. Float detent has worked flawlessy for that purpose. They’ve saved me many, many hours.

That's a good setup and basically what I have in the MX, except that the dealer put the FD in the 2nd position.

The M6060 comes with an SCD valve as standard and the dealer had added an FD valve, but both SCD and FD can work just like a standard double acting valve but offer additional features. That's why I added another FD.