Off Road Diesel

[WFM]

With the cost of diesel fuel lately I know quite a few folks that run off road diesel in there newer trucks even though the owners manuals say use of off road diesel can damage fuel systems and emissions systems. Both GM and Ford owners manuals say this. But is on road and off road that much different ?? My tractor has a small sticker that says
Use Ultra Low Salfa Diesel
And when I buy on road diesel there's a sticker on the pump that says the same. So is off road diesel Ultra Low Sulfa also ??

 

[whatsupdoc]

No difference besides the dye and the tax.

 

[edritchey]

I wish I had a dollar every time this was brought up.

 

[85Hokie]

There use to be a large sulfur difference between the two - but that has long passed.

All diesel both on road (taxed) and offroad (non taxed) are the exact 15 parts per million in the sulfur content. Been this way for over 12 years.

The info on diesel trucks was printed a while back thus those warnings were in place,

 

[Runs With Scissors]

It's the same stuff, just taxed (and colored) differently.

The Ultra Low Sulfur stuff came out quite a while ago, and to the best of my knowledge, I can't recall ever seeing an option at the pumps to choose between "ULSD" and "regular" diesel......It's all ULSD.....

Unlike when you could get "Leaded" or "Unleaded" gas......(man, am I dating myself of what?)

 

[GeoHorn]

It's the same stuff, just taxed (and colored) differently.

The Ultra Low Sulfur stuff came out quite a while ago, and to the best of my knowledge, I can't recall ever seeing an option at the pumps to choose between "ULSD" and "regular" diesel......It's all ULSD.....

Unlike when you could get "Leaded" or "Unleaded" gas......(man, am I dating myself of what?)

Only if you distinguish between “No Nox” and “Gulf-tane”.…and buy your oil in one of these:

 

[D2Cat]

For some reason many can not get the idea the product is the same as far as the fuel goes, only difference is the dye in the off road so govt can make sure user is paying road tax on vehicles used on highways. Much like the dye dumped in hyd fluid to make more visible in the dip stick.

 

[lynnmor]

For some reason many can not get the idea the product is the same as far as the fuel goes, only difference is the dye in the off road so govt can make sure user is paying road tax on vehicles used on highways. Much like the dye dumped in hyd fluid to make more visible in the dip stick.

Here is my experience with red heating oil when it was first introduced; I lost the pumps in both of my oil furnaces. One was new with the red oil used on the first refill. The other was perhaps ten years old and it was wasted on the first use of the red poison. It appeared that the dye was excessive and who knows what it contained, so I am always concerned with the red fuel, my thought is that the dye is dumped in by the truck driver and there is no control over the chemistry, quality and quantity.

 

[GeoHorn]

Here is my experience with red heating oil when it was first introduced; I lost the pumps in both of my oil furnaces. One was new with the red oil used on the first refill. The other was perhaps ten years old and it was wasted on the first use of the red poison. It appeared that the dye was excessive and who knows what it contained, so I am always concerned with the red fuel, my thought is that the dye is dumped in by the truck driver and there is no control over the chemistry, quality and quantity.

Your experience, while unfortunate, is not conclusive because there was no “control group” to call this a valid experiment or test.

The fresh red fuel May have been a one-off “lot”…or may have been your first delivered ULSD… or one pump could have failed because it was new and not worn-in and the other because it was old and ready to fail because you looked at it.

In other words, this qualifies as an “anecdote” only.

According to SOME sources, Red dye used in diesel and furnace fuels is a solvent that may reduce lubricity, and some pumps may experience increased wear. (I learned this from reading refining processes, not from AI, but SI might be trolling us.)

 

[85Hokie]

How It Affects Engines

• Chemical Identity: Chemically, red-dyed off-road diesel is identical to clear on-road Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD), meeting the exact same ASTM standards (such as ASTM D975) and 15 parts-per-million sulfur limits.
• Combustion & Emissions: The dye itself does not hurt combustion, Diesel Particulate Filters (DPFs), or Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR/DEF) systems.
• Performance: It provides the exact same energy content, fuel economy, and power as regular pump diesel

 

[skeets]

Have any of you guys noted a jump in price for ORD? Im wondering if the big trucks are sucking it up since Don said they could use it

 

[GeoHorn]

My local supplier of OFD is corrupt, IMO.

I last bought from them several years ago, when regular No 2 at Murphy’s (WalMart) was $3.06/gal …. and the local ORD source was charging $4.05/gal.
When I contacted them to see if someone had simply made an error …(thinking they must have meant $2.45/gal)…. they confirmed their $4+ price…and mentioned I could save $12 by picking the fuel up AT their Distribution-point.

I loaded my tank onto a trailer and drove it to WM where I paid the Road-Taxed Fuel at $3.06/gal…. even tho’ WM required me to re-insert my credit card 5 times to fill my tank because their “charge-limit” on CC’s required it.

The current suggestion by Some Nat’l Person to use ORD in highway vehicles is a useless suggestion because State Police enforce the law…. not Federal authorities. It is still a penalty in most states to use dyed-diesel on the highways.
On top of that, the dyed diesel is not conveniently available most retail outlets or to most retail purchasers
If that Nat’l Person really wanted to affect matters in such a manner….they would completely REMOVE the Fed. Tax on motor fuels of all types.

Even better…. remove the actual Reason for the high prices.

IMO

 

[Runs With Scissors]

even tho’ WM required me to re-insert my credit card 5 times to fill my tank because their “charge-limit” on CC’s required it.

Just a heads up for next time.

When I fill my big tank I use the "Pay Inside" feature. This bypasses the credit limit ceiling (somehow) and lets you fill up uninterrupted.

But then you have to go in and pay, but for me it's less hassle than hitting the limit 4 or 5 times (especially when it starts rejecting the card due to fraud concerns....BTDT)


EDIT: At least thats how it works at the place I usually use.

 

[Scm]

"I Don't Give A Damn’ About Gas Prices"

 

[Spam Bot]

Red used to be home heating oil, Green was off-road diesel, and Clear was taxed diesel. That was around 1980. Now Green fuel has been discontinued, and only Red and Clear remain. I have used both in my Kubotas and have never had an issue.

 

[Scm]

Does the law specifically say "red" dye?
Add some blue dye and make it purple.
No more problem

 

[D2Cat]

How It Affects Engines

• Chemical Identity: Chemically, red-dyed off-road diesel is identical to clear on-road Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD), meeting the exact same ASTM standards (such as ASTM D975) and 15 parts-per-million sulfur limits.
• Combustion & Emissions: The dye itself does not hurt combustion, Diesel Particulate Filters (DPFs), or Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR/DEF) systems.
• Performance: It provides the exact same energy content, fuel economy, and power as regular pump diesel

Now wait a minute 85Hokie, we need something to disagree about and you eliminate any possibility for that discussion!