MX5400 first regen

[B737]

The MX transmission holds about 12 gallons. 12 gallons of UDT2 isn't a few bucks!

$250 or $500.... it's just a few bucks when you are taking care of a $55k machine.

 

[mcmxi]

$250 or $500.... it's just a few bucks when you are taking care of a $55k machine.

That's true, but Kubota thinks the fluid is good for 400 hours if you change the filters. And given the two-year "bumper to bumper" warranty and even longer powertrain warranty you'd think that they'd have it on the 50 hour service if they were concerned about premature transmission damage from contaminated transmission fluid.

I like doing maintenance, and changing fluids is about as easy as it gets so I completely understand the desire for clean, fresh fluid. Like I said, I won't wait until 400 hours but I'm not doing it at 50.

 

[B737]

you'll sleep better! I agree though. I have absolutely no proof other than pure speculation that 50 hour fluid is the pits

 

[jyoutz]

$250 or $500.... it's just a few bucks when you are taking care of a $55k machine.

It looks like 11 gallons is about $250

Part Details | Coleman Equipment

Kubota Super UDT2 is a multi-purpose all-weather hydraulic fluid. This product is specifically recommended for use in the Kubota hydraulic, final drive, transmission, dif

www.colemanequip.com

 

[mcmxi]

you'll sleep better! I agree though. I have absolutely no proof other than pure speculation that 50 hour fluid is the pits

Yes, there's always that. I run an expensive synthetic oil in my truck, my Jeep and the tractors without any evidence that it's worth the cost, but I feel better for it. I think I'll survive not changing the transmission fluid at 50 hours but it might be touch and go for a while. I'll just not think about it.

 

[NCL4701]

If the fluid had looked anywhere near like B737’s or if there had been a bunch of metal on the filter magnets at 50 hours I would have changed the fluid at 50 hours. Fluid on mine was still clear and metal was nominal. Changing fluid certainly doesn’t hurt anything as its a comparatively a small cost if the fluid condition or quantity of metal indicates it’s advisable or if it just makes you feel better.

 

[fried1765]

The MX transmission holds about 12 gallons. 12 gallons of UDT2 isn't a few bucks!

The service interval states to change the transmission oil at 400 hours. I doubt that I'll wait that long, but I'm not going to change it at 50 hours. Given your comment about metal coming out of the drains, maybe I'll remove the plugs to get that stuff out but I'd rather not spend $500 on transmission fluid at the 50 hour mark.

I bought SUDT-2 for $100 per 5 gallon pail last year, on a Kubota Spring hyd. fluid promotion.
I think Kubota runs that promotion every Spring
With US prices on everything rising faster than a Stinger missile in Ukraine,........ maybe $120 per 5 gallon pail by now?
Still .....two 5 gallon pails should be be closer to $240, rather than $500.
2 pails = 10 gallons, but it is likely that you will not be able to drain the full 12 gallon capacity.

 

[NCL4701]

The variation in experience with fluid condition kind of makes me wonder if it’s a variation in dealer prep. If, for instance, my dealer drained, flushed, and refilled prior to delivery that would at least mostly alleviate the inclusion of machining debris in the case. Maybe I’ll ask them next time I speak to them.

 

[mcmxi]

I bought SUDT-2 for $100 per 5 gallon pail last year, on a Kubota Spring hyd. fluid promotion.
I think Kubota runs that promotion every Spring
With US prices on everything rising faster than a Stinger missile in Ukraine,........ maybe $120 per 5 gallon pail by now?
Still .....two 5 gallon pails should be be closer to $240, rather than $500.
2 pails = 10 gallons, but it is likely that you will not be able to drain the full 12 gallon capacity.

I called the local dealer and they have UDT2 at $113.43 for a 5 gallon container, $60.12 for a 2.5 gallon container and $6.15 for 1 QT. So I can get 12.5 gallons for $286.98. But the question of whether there's a need to drain the transmission fluid after 50 hours still remains. I think the filters are around $130 for all three and the engine oil costs me around $70. So if I add in the transmission oil change the service is around $490. I don't know, maybe I'll do it all, maybe not.

 

[mcmxi]

Thanks. Do you know what the front axle is filled with? UDT2 or 80-90W? Or does this vary by dealer prep?

I spoke with the manager at the local dealer and he stated that the tractors come from Japan with 80-90W in the front axle. They have to bolt on some parts that won't fit in the crate and top off with more 80-90W oil. He mentioned that they always recommend staying with 80-90W for the front axle because the viscosity is higher and it tends not to leak as quickly if a tear develops in one of the seals.

I asked him what he thought about changing the transmission oil at 50 hours and his response was that it's a waste of resources, time and money. We're all free to make our own decisions based on what's important to us so it's all good.

 

[fried1765]

I spoke with the manager at the local dealer and he stated that the tractors come from Japan with 80-90W in the front axle. They have to bolt on some parts that won't fit in the crate and top off with more 80-90W oil. He mentioned that they always recommend staying with 80-90W for the front axle becuase the viscosity is higher and it tends not to leak as quickly if a tear develops in one of the seals.

I asked him what he thought about changing the transmission oil at 50 hours and his response was that it's a waste of resources, time and money. We're all free to make our own decisions based on what's important to us so it's all good.

I TOTALLY AGREE with ........"a waste of resources, time and money"

 

[jyoutz]

I spoke with the manager at the local dealer and he stated that the tractors come from Japan with 80-90W in the front axle. They have to bolt on some parts that won't fit in the crate and top off with more 80-90W oil. He mentioned that they always recommend staying with 80-90W for the front axle becuase the viscosity is higher and it tends not to leak as quickly if a tear develops in one of the seals.

I asked him what he thought about changing the transmission oil at 50 hours and his response was that it's a waste of resources, time and money. We're all free to make our own decisions based on what's important to us so it's all good.

Thanks a lot for researching this. I think when I do the 50 hour I will pull the plug and drain about a quart just in case there is some metal at the bottom of the pan. Of course the filter and magnets will also allow for cleaning this too. Then top off. One last question: any specific 80-90w? Synthetic or standard?

 

[lgeist04]

My tractor just had it's first regen yesterday with 26.1 hours on it. It took about 15 minutes running at pto speed to complete. Had a pretty strong burning smell and really kicked up a lot of dust from the exhaust.

 

[mcmxi]

Thanks a lot for researching this. I think when I do the 50 hour I will pull the plug and drain about a quart just in case there is some metal at the bottom of the pan. Of course the filter and magnets will also allow for cleaning this too. Then top off. One last question: any specific 80-90w? Synthetic or standard?

Pulling the drain plugs out for a second or two might not be a bad thing. I don't think it matters whether you use standard or synthetic oil in the front axle. The local dealer adds gear oil from the drain hole which gets it where it needs to be much faster so they tend to deliver tractors with the proper level in the front axle, and everywhere else for that matter.

I'm sure glad that I have such a good dealer just three miles from my house.

 

[Pburchett]

My MX 5200 regens about every 20 hours no matter how I use it. I feel as if it is programed to do that.

 

[Pburchett]

this question is asked often, and I always spam the forum with the same two pictures

To me, the few bucks for some SUDT2, was worth the peace of mind.


50 hour fluid from LX3310

and 50 hour fluid from B2601

Man that is some nasty looking fluid. At 400 hours the fluid out of my MX 5200 looked almost new.

 

[jyoutz]

Pulling the drain plugs out for a second or two might not be a bad thing. I don't think it matters whether you use standard or synthetic oil in the front axle. The local dealer adds gear oil from the drain hole which gets it where it needs to be much faster so they tend to deliver tractors with the proper level in the front axle, and everywhere else for that matter.

I'm sure glad that I have such a good dealer just three miles from my house.

My dealer that I bought from is 5 hours away because the local dealer had no inventory. I’ve been pleased so far with dealer prep; the only thing I found was the front axle fluid is about 1” below the check hole plug.