L4400 fel not working

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I ran the tractor at full throttle for 20 seconds and got about 3 gallons. If I ran it at full throttle for 60 seconds I should get under 9 gallons?
Its simple arithmetic.

3 gallons in 20 seconds = 9 gallons in 60 seconds. So your test showed 9 GPM at full throttle?

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Sorry to interfere. Would a worn out pump still produce the correct pressure?
Thats a good and timely question. Up until a few weeks ago I would have said no but somebody here had one that did.


Or at least replacing the pump fixed his flow problem. 🙄

In this case I think its time to reroute loader PB straight to tank and see how the loader responds
 
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Thank you Dan !

Your suction side leak could be the right idea if air is being sucked in and takes ages to compress.

If there is a restriction on the pressure or return side, should that not be audible with the pump working really hard?
 

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Thank you Dan !

Your suction side leak could be the right idea if air is being sucked in and takes ages to compress.

If there is a restriction on the pressure or return side, should that not be audible with the pump working really hard?
In 40 years of user assistance much by phone/email I have been fooled too many times. Since I am not there to listen I can't judge what other people hear or dont hear. :rolleyes:

A simple empirical test is more reliable...
 
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No, via phone or from a recording analysis is not possible. Same applies to automotive / engine problems. You have to be there yourself.

But bsamot69 may be able to hear if the pump is strained (blockage) or not (sucking in air).

Ok, I better stay out of this thread now, I am sure you will get to the bottom of it and solve the problem (y)
 

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No, via phone or from a recording analysis is not possible. Same applies to automotive / engine problems. You have to be there yourself.

But bsamot69 may be able to hear if the pump is strained (blockage) or not (sucking in air).
I think you missed my poimt - I dont fully trust the judgement of inexperienced third parties :rolleyes:

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I'm avidly reading your comments. What next step should I take?
BEFORE doing anything put identifying marks on the loader hoses connected to ports C and D on the hydraulic block. I would suggest paint or tape using RED for C and BLUE for D. Take a picture of the hoses with the identifying markings.

AFTER the hoses are marked swap the C and D connections and take another picture. Put the 3pt lever in the full down position, start the tractor, and test loader operation. After testing put the hoses back in their original locations.

Post the BEFORE and AFTER pictures and tell us what if anything changing the connections did to loader operation.

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BEFORE doing anything put identifying marks on the loader hoses connected to ports C and D on the hydraulic block. I would suggest paint or tape using RED for C and BLUE for D. Take a picture of the hoses with the identifying markings.

AFTER the hoses are marked swap the C and D connections and take another picture. Put the 3pt lever in the full down position, start the tractor, and test loader operation. After testing put the hoses back in their original locations.

Post the BEFORE and AFTER pictures and tell us what if anything changing the connections did to loader operation.

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No change in loader operation
 

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No change in loader operation
Lets recap:
  1. You measured 2600 PSI pressure at the loader inlet hose.
  2. You measured 8+ GPM flow at the loader inlet hose
Yet with everything connected the loader will not raise or lower and the bucket will not tilt or dump. Switching tank and power beyond connections at the hydraulic outlet block had no effect on loader operation.

Is that correct?

Dan
 

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Lets recap:
  1. You measured 2600 PSI pressure at the loader inlet hose.
  2. You measured 8+ GPM flow at the loader inlet hose
Yet with everything connected the loader will not raise or lower and the bucket will not tilt or dump. Switching tank and power beyond connections at the hydraulic outlet block had no effect on loader operation.

Is that correct?

Dan
That is what happened.