Canada to Quickly increase its population

[MapleLeafFarmer]

In Canada we have a new law that says if you were born abroad but can show you are a descendent of a Canadian sometime in the past... no problems you are welcome to become a Canadian Citizen and move to Canada.

Purpose was to offer a path back to Canada for a lot of people who say had family tree back to say the 1600's that had family that once lived in Canada but later moved across the border to places like Maine etc... to work in mills or logging camps etc... which was very very common.

They are now eligible for citizenship. I read someone estimated 3 - 5 million Americans will be eligible. Wow!!

Maybe not a big number in your mind but 5 million out of a 40 million population is a 12% bump if 100% take up this change. . Thats a HUGE number in my mind and sure to generate a lot of discussion around the coffee shop table in the coming weeks. Could be a lot of positives / could be a lot of negatives.

I am not sure how I feel about this one. For example getting Citizenship because a relative 10 generations back or whatever was Canadian would mean you are eligible for free health care. hmmmm...


In Canada long ago we had the fur trade, etc... but US developed their industrialization much sooner so lots of people walked south over the border to work in the lumber mills, woodlots, and other early industrialization along the East Coast of US. So if your great / great / great /Great granddaddy came from Canada you may now be eligibility to be Canadian....

 

[GrumpyFarmer]

In Canada we have a new law that says if you were born abroad but can show you are a descendent of a Canadian sometime in the past... no problems you are welcome to become a Canadian Citizen and move to Canada.

Purpose was to offer a path back to Canada for a lot of people who say had family tree back to say the 1600's that had family that once lived in Canada but later moved across the border to places like Maine etc... to work in mills or logging camps etc... which was very very common.

They are now eligible for citizenship. I read someone estimated 3 - 5 million Americans will be eligible. Wow!!

Maybe not a big number in your mind but 5 million out of a 40 million population is a 12% bump if 100% take up this change. . Thats a HUGE number in my mind and sure to generate a lot of discussion around the coffee shop table in the coming weeks. Could be a lot of positives / could be a lot of negatives.

I am not sure how I feel about this one. For example getting Citizenship because a relative 10 generations back or whatever was Canadian would mean you are eligible for free health care. hmmmm...


In Canada long ago we had the fur trade, etc... but US developed their industrialization much sooner so lots of people walked south over the border to work in the lumber mills, woodlots, and other early industrialization along the East Coast of US. So if your great / great / great /Great granddaddy came from Canada you may now be eligibility to be Canadian....

I did not realize that Canada was a country prior to 1867.

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

I did not realize that Canada was a country prior to 1867.

100% correct but the British Conquest of New France occurred late 1700's and New France started in 1534..... so while not "officially" a Country the European colonization of the land had begun and those folks considered first Canadians but before confederation, etc...

I guess like in US people who arrived pre 1776 (like British making the Jamestown settlement in the 1600) were technically British but not considered now first Americans? or are they landed immigrants (pre confederation) or British or ???

Way beyond my knowledge base for sure but sure to make lots of table talk for sure.

 

[GrumpyFarmer]

In Canada we have a new law that says if you were born abroad but can show you are a descendent of a Canadian sometime in the past... no problems you are welcome to become a Canadian Citizen and move to Canada.

Purpose was to offer a path back to Canada for a lot of people who say had family tree back to say the 1600's that had family that once lived in Canada but later moved across the border to places like Maine etc... to work in mills or logging camps etc... which was very very common.

They are now eligible for citizenship. I read someone estimated 3 - 5 million Americans will be eligible. Wow!!

Maybe not a big number in your mind but 5 million out of a 40 million population is a 12% bump if 100% take up this change. . Thats a HUGE number in my mind and sure to generate a lot of discussion around the coffee shop table in the coming weeks. Could be a lot of positives / could be a lot of negatives.

I am not sure how I feel about this one. For example getting Citizenship because a relative 10 generations back or whatever was Canadian would mean you are eligible for free health care. hmmmm...


In Canada long ago we had the fur trade, etc... but US developed their industrialization much sooner so lots of people walked south over the border to work in the lumber mills, woodlots, and other early industrialization along the East Coast of US. So if your great / great / great /Great granddaddy came from Canada you may now be eligibility to be Canadian....

I travel back and forth to Canada quite a bit over the past 28yrs. I have not picked up an accent yet, but I would not turn down a beaver tail when in Ottawa.

what I have noticed over the past 28yrs in Canada was out of control real estate in Toronto and to some extent other city centers around the provinces (seems like Toronto the most extreme to me as a visitor though) and I think in this case USA is now beginning to experience that as well. (Supply and demand)

hopefully people won’t be priced out of their homes (maybe that has already happened to some extent, but maybe it will get worse) if your Canada plans to step on the gas pedal with that. A lot of my friends up there have actually migrated south as it’s much cheaper to buy place here (so they claim…seem there pension is portable and can live very comfortable down here).

 

[McMXi]

Perhaps a bunch of people from New Zealand are moving to Canada. I read yesterday that people are leaving New Zealand in record numbers due to rising costs and economic woes. The previous prime minister recently moved to Australia.

 

[GrumpyFarmer]

100% correct but the British Conquest of New France occurred late 1700's and New France started in 1534..... so while not "officially" a Country the European colonization of the land had begun and those folks considered first Canadians but before confederation, etc...

I guess like in US people who arrived pre 1776 (like British making the Jamestown settlement in the 1600) were technically British but not considered now first Americans? or are they landed immigrants (pre confederation) or British or ???

Way beyond my knowledge base for sure but sure to make lots of table talk for sure.

I think it depends on where you were standing as to who was there and where they hailed from and who they toppled to be standing there.

changing the demographics is a great way to offer free stuff to change the voter base, maybe? Not really sure how it helps.

To my knowledge my family came across the pond much later (than the early americas)…folks starting to bang pots and pans down here about reparations from the colonials, but aside from a few cities up north I that weren’t around then, none offering hand outs to that wxtent, i am not sure of a legitimate movement to prove origin. so until there is a some empathy towards the German immigrants, if I want in one hand and crap in the other we all know which one will fill up first.

I guess I have some coins from a few countries that I have traveled to that I did not exchange back…I wonder if I could claim sovereignty with a countries national currency depending on whatever free stuff is being offered?

either someone is trying to break a system or they are running out of other people’s money to give away. That’s already happened down here (look at out debt and watch us print money)

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

I travel back and forth to Canada quite a bit over the past 28yrs. I have not picked up an accent yet, but I would not turn down a beaver tail when in Ottawa.

what I have noticed over the past 28yrs in Canada was out of control real estate in Toronto and to some extent other city centers around the provinces (seems like Toronto the most extreme to me as a visitor though) and I think in this case USA is now beginning to experience that as well. (Supply and demand)

hopefully people won’t be priced out of their homes (maybe that has already happened to some extent, but maybe it will get worse) if your Canada plans to step on the gas pedal with that. A lot of my friends up there have actually migrated south as it’s much cheaper to buy place here (so they claim…seem there pension is portable and can live very comfortable down here).

housing in the big city's like Toronto and Vancouver, the health care waits, the limited number of schools, even the limited number of fire stations in smaller towns. All sorts of public infrastructure problems already exist as our governments (all 3 parties) have failed in investing in all those "must have" and instead chose to invest in the "nice to have" stuff as I guess its better at buying votes. Investing in sewers for the cities sure not sexy and doesn't buy votes but sure needed.

My gut tells me we should concentrate on what we have vs. getting those next big step under our belts.

But I guess that means I am against progress and kids call me out of touch??

 

[jimh406]

It will be interesting to revisit this in 1, 5, 10 years to see the impact of this move and if the population increase happens quickly or at all.

 

[torch]

In Canada we have a new law that says if you were born abroad but can show you are a descendent of a Canadian sometime in the past... no problems you are welcome to become a Canadian Citizen and move to Canada.

Not exactly.

A Canadian parent born or adopted abroad can now pass on citizenship to their child born or adopted outside Canada today or in the future, provided they can demonstrate at the time of application that they spent three years in Canada prior to their child’s birth or adoption.

It's not really new, either. It restores rights that were removed in 2009 (the First Generation limit). That removal was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

Not exactly.



It's not really new, either. It restores rights that were removed in 2009 (the First Generation limit). That removal was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

I am sure of 2 things
1) the devil is going to be in the details and its complicated
2) knowing the facts are well above my pay grade.

cheers

just hope its something that advances our country vs. something that sets us back.

 

[Poohbear]

I'll check with my Cajun grandkids and see if they want to move up there since they are decended from the Acadians that were forced into exile to Louisiana. I got a sawbuck says they won't be packing .

 

[GreensvilleJay]

It's all about 'stacking the deck' come elections time ( Not being 'political...just observing the 'mechanics' of power. )Same as letting in 1 million per year of untrained 'immigrants. HUGE drain of resources( houses, meds, power, etc.) and getting nothing in return.
As for Toronto.... too many cars for the roads( doh ) so average commute is over 1.5 HOURS, They also have a 3rd tax on house ! Every house over 3 million, has a special tax, on top of the city equal of the provincial 'land transfer tax'.

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

I'll check with my Cajun grandkids and see if they want to move up there since they are decended from the Acadians that were forced into exile to Louisiana. I got a sawbuck says they won't be packing .

hopefully turns into a big nothing burger.
kinda sad though that our leaders spend time on things like this versus say improving our health care, or making life more affordable, or streets safer or ??/ whatever.
makes me sadder daily on what our leadership deems important.

 

[Shawn T. W]

Would it be a "dual-citizen" type deal, or would they have to give up there current citizenship?

Do they get a vote?

Do they have to take up permanent residency?

Get free medical for the rest of there life?

Pay tax on whatever income or assets they bring with them ...

As far as I know my mother's side is mostly from the British Isles long before our Declaration of Independence, my Father immigrated from Germany and became a naturalized citizen, so I'm not eligible ... But no way I'd give up my citizenship, or move!

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

Would it be a "dual-citizen" type deal, or would they have to give up there current citizenship?

Do they get a vote?

Do they have to take up permanent residency?

Get free medical for the rest of there life?

Pay tax on whatever income or assets they bring with them ...

As far as I know my mother's side is mostly from the British Isles long before our Declaration of Independence, my Father immigrated from Germany and became a naturalized citizen, so I'm not eligible ... But no way I'd give up my citizenship, or move!

vote: no expert but i think. I used to vote in 1 province where my wife had a house but worked elsewhere. Its where you claim residency Dec 31. each year.

dual citizen: I think so

permanent live in Canada: nope free to live wherever

free medical: medical is provincial responsibility but if you live 183 days+ in a year you get a free health card. After year 1 not sure how they would track. I owned a house and wife in 1 province but worked elsewhere 300+ days a year and I had no problem with a residency medical card.

Taxes: we do not have a double tax system so some kinda fancy rules will apply but no double tax. I earned money outside my province and only taxed in 1 jurisdiction.

complicated rules across jurisdictions. This whole thing seems like a can of worms

seems pretty common that rich Asians and middle east people will get residency, set up family in Canada but head back to their home country to work. This way kids get the really cheap education cost and free health care while working the business back home. I have a neighbour across the street that does this. Personally I do like dual citizenship. IMHO should be commitment to one or the other. No cherry picking. Be loyal.

 

[torch]

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I'm not sure where you got your information, but it's not accurate. Canadian Citizenship originated in 1947. Natural-born Canadians, including those born outside of Canada if their father was born in Canada or was a British subject with Canadian domicile were deemed Canadian citizens as of that date.

A mother’s status was only considered if the child was born out of wedlock. Those not natural-born in Canada but were British subjects with a current Canadian domicile at commencing prior to the enactment of the legislation would also receive citizenship.

It doesn't go back forever, nor does it include everyone who ever hung their hat in the country.

 

[GeoHorn]

Does this mean we Texans can send Ted Cruz BACK…??

(he never declared his U.S. citizenship until he wanted to run for pres.)