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Do you think any of the equipment sold today will be functioning in 73 years?
The non-DPF ones probably will. I'm not hopeful for anything that has a lot of emissions programming.
 
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The non-DPF ones probably will. I'm not hopeful for anything that has a lot of emissions programming.

Exactly why I didn't buy one with emissions. The delete kits and tunes will probably be big money makers down the road.
 
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What a nice tractor key 🤓 . I just went through mine with a fine tooth comb and can't believe the quality and dealer prep job. My last Kubota was pretty grimy at delivery.
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I felt the new Kioti’s that I was looking at looked like nice quality and attention to detail.
When I was shopping, The one I felt looked like the best quality - fit/finish was the MF 2860 cab model.
Kubota actually didn’t overly impress me for attention to detail.
 
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The non-DPF ones probably will. I'm not hopeful for anything that has a lot of emissions programming.
That's why I got this one. It's the old 35 hp engine detuned. A turn of a screw and remove a shim bumps it to over 30 hp without dpf.
 
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The non-DPF ones probably will. I'm not hopeful for anything that has a lot of emissions programming.
I don't need my tractors to function for another 73 years, just another 20 or so!!!

Of course, those that don't have DPF or DEF want tractors with it to fail so that they can pat themselves on the back for making such a good choice. I chose my tractors based on the hp that I need/want, features and comfort, and DPF didn't figure into it for me. I'll cross the DPF delete bridge if/when needed, but until then I'll continue to enjoy what I have.
 

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Of course, those that don't have DPF or DEF want tractors with it to fail so that they can pat themselves on the back for making such a good choice.
That wasn’t my point. Reality is that the more complicated a system is, the more there is to maintain.

Besides programming, will the DPF even be available 70 years from now?

Fwiw, I also bought the tractor I needed. In my case, a nonDPF tractor was perfect. Bonus was no DPF.
 
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That wasn’t my point. Reality is that the more complicated a system is, the more there is to maintain.

Besides programming, will the DPF even be available 70 years from now?

Fwiw, I also bought the tractor I needed. In my case, a nonDPF tractor was perfect. Bonus was no DPF.
Well catalytic converters were introduced in 1970 (55 years ago), are dtill bring used on new vehicles, and I fully expect they will still be widely available 30 years from now....

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Well catalytic converters were introduced in 1970 (55 years ago), are dtill bring used on new vehicles, and I fully expect they will still be widely available 30 years from now....
DPFs are a bit more complicated than catalytic converters.
 
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DPFs are a bit more complicated than catalytic converters.
Really? They are a very fine particulate filter made from a honeycombed ceramic substrate. The substrate is also coated with a catalytic agent that chemically converts undesirable exhaust gases into a more desirable form. Pricey to make yes - complicated not so much.

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mcmxi

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Fwiw, I also bought the tractor I needed. In my case, a nonDPF tractor was perfect. Bonus was no DPF.
My point is directed at those who specifically chose a tractor with no DPF regardless of whether they'd be limited in terms of what they and the tractor could do. In other words, no DPF was their main criteria either because of their percpetion of the experience of using a DPF tractor, and/or their belief that there will be problems/cost down the road associated with owning such a tractor. It's my belief based on numerous comments on this forum, that those owners want to see DPF and DEF be a problem for others.

For the record, I had one of those non-DPF tractors in the form of a BX25 and it sucked at most tasks with the lack of hp and torque being at the top of the "this sucks" list. That's my experience and obviously others have a different story to tell. I'm not concerned about DEF or the the longevity of my tractors, and have found it to be a non-issue when it comes to using my tractors for numerous tasks.
 
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For the record, I had one of those non-DPF tractors in the form of a BX25 and it sucked at most tasks with the lack of hp and torque being at the top of the "this sucks" list.
Of course, the L2501 is between the BX25 and the MX. Sure, same HP, but a much larger machine than the BX25 with more displacement and more torque, more weight, and more lift capacity. No doubt the BX25 would be too small for me as well.

If you need something bigger/more capable than the L2501/2, then you have no choice, but to go to a DPF machine. At that point, there are a huge number of options including cabs and HST+ with a lot more loader capacity available on most of them.
 

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The non-DPF ones probably will. I'm not hopeful for anything that has a lot of emissions programming.
I doubt there will be diesel available to run them at that point. Probably EV conversion kits will replace diesel engines.
 

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My view is that as long as people want parts, someone will make parts. But it is why I like buying a high volume machine, because it's more likely that people will still be making money from making parts. I'd be surprised if parts for a standard L or a grand L weren't still available for decades.

Of course, not for the L4701. That one's an orphan model, as we all know, so parts will probably vanish in about 5 years.
 
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Here's a look at the new 7340. A lot of machine for low 60s.
 

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If you need something bigger/more capable than the L2501/2, then you have no choice, but to go to a DPF machine. At that point, there are a huge number of options including cabs and HST+ with a lot more loader capacity available on most of them.
This is where I found myself. For the sort of things I do, 60hp is the absolute minimum I'd ever consider, and if I had sold the MX before buying the M6060 with the idea to only have one tractor I would probably have gone for an M5-091 or M5-111.
 
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Why does "low 60s" strike me as an oxymoron?

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Depends on the dealer and cash or financing. To me low 60s means under 65, high 60s over 65 😀. Only extra is the jump seat according to the video.
 

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Yep! A very nice tractor and one that I'd be happy to own.
I was looking at these too. A little too small for me but damn a nice tractor anyways. I’m still really thinking about the hx115 pretty hard not too….
 
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