L4150 Hitch Only Raises at High RPM

DanielW

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Kubota L4150,
Oct 26, 2022
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Ontario
Hi folks,

We have an L4150, 4x4, hydraulic shuttle, loader tractor for odd jobs around the farm. It doesn't get used much compared to the larger equipment - really just feeding out round bales and blowing snow in winter. Last night it developed a problem with the three-point hitch: When any load is on it, it only lifts when wound up to quite a high RPM, and as soon as you idle down it drops. The loader and hydraulic shuttle work fine.

I didn't have much time to diagnose, and all my hydraulic testing paraphernalia is at our other farm, so I didn't get a chance to do any proper analysis. I made some crude assumptions based off some (very) quick and dirty testing methods and a glance over the hydraulic schematic. Wondering if you folks would agree/disagree:

If you raise the hitch, then completely close off the down-speed adjusting valve while it's raised, it will hold the load indefinitely. To me, this indicates the cylinder and cylinder safety valve are OK. The shuttle shift working fine seems to indicate the priority valve is ok. I didn't have any pressure gauges handy, but I hooked the remotes up to a pretty heavy field disc, and it lifted/held it just fine. This seems to indicated relief valve and remote valve are ok. I'm not sure how the loader is plumbed, but I'm assuming hydraulic flow is routed to the loader valve, which has power-beyond capability, with the remote valve down-stream? Either that or it's routed to the remote valve first (with power-beyond), then off to the loader. In either case, the remotes and loader working also indicate the loader valve and power-beyond functionality is working ok.

This leaves either the draft control valve or 3-point position control valve. I suspect there's a bypass/leak in one of these two. The draft control has never been touched - it's always used in position mode (I made sure to check it hadn't been moved). For this reason, I'm inclined to think the draft control valve is unlikely to have developed a problem, and the issue is more likely the hitch position control valve.

Am I completely out to lunch? Any thoughts/opinions are greatly appreciated.
 

TheOldHokie

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Apr 6, 2021
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Hi folks,

We have an L4150, 4x4, hydraulic shuttle, loader tractor for odd jobs around the farm. It doesn't get used much compared to the larger equipment - really just feeding out round bales and blowing snow in winter. Last night it developed a problem with the three-point hitch: When any load is on it, it only lifts when wound up to quite a high RPM, and as soon as you idle down it drops. The loader and hydraulic shuttle work fine.

I didn't have much time to diagnose, and all my hydraulic testing paraphernalia is at our other farm, so I didn't get a chance to do any proper analysis. I made some crude assumptions based off some (very) quick and dirty testing methods and a glance over the hydraulic schematic. Wondering if you folks would agree/disagree:

If you raise the hitch, then completely close off the down-speed adjusting valve while it's raised, it will hold the load indefinitely. To me, this indicates the cylinder and cylinder safety valve are OK. The shuttle shift working fine seems to indicate the priority valve is ok. I didn't have any pressure gauges handy, but I hooked the remotes up to a pretty heavy field disc, and it lifted/held it just fine. This seems to indicated relief valve and remote valve are ok. I'm not sure how the loader is plumbed, but I'm assuming hydraulic flow is routed to the loader valve, which has power-beyond capability, with the remote valve down-stream? Either that or it's routed to the remote valve first (with power-beyond), then off to the loader. In either case, the remotes and loader working also indicate the loader valve and power-beyond functionality is working ok.

This leaves either the draft control valve or 3-point position control valve. I suspect there's a bypass/leak in one of these two. The draft control has never been touched - it's always used in position mode (I made sure to check it hadn't been moved). For this reason, I'm inclined to think the draft control valve is unlikely to have developed a problem, and the issue is more likely the hitch position control valve.

Am I completely out to lunch? Any thoughts/opinions are greatly appreciated.
I think your analysis hits the nail on the head.The fact that all else works fine and it will hold when the lowering speed valve is closed off is telling. Something on the lift supply side of the circuit is bypassing. Starnge that it came on suddenly - that does not sound like simple wear on the spool.

On the bright side Messicks lists a new position control valve at $888.

Dan
 

DanielW

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Kubota L4150,
Oct 26, 2022
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Ontario
Thanks Dan. That $888 doesn't sounds like good news, especially as I'm in Canada, so I can likely count on a couple hundred dollars for duty charges & shipping, as well as a 30% increase due to exchange rate. Either that, or order it from the local Kubota dealer, which will probably cost even more. O well...

I'm surprised the parts manual doesn't show a breakdown for this valve. If all that's required is re-sealing a spool, it should theoretically be a pretty cheap/easy fix to tear the valve down and rebuild.
 

TheOldHokie

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Thanks Dan. That $888 doesn't sounds like good news, especially as I'm in Canada, so I can likely count on a couple hundred dollars for duty charges & shipping, as well as a 30% increase due to exchange rate. Either that, or order it from the local Kubota dealer, which will probably cost even more. O well...

I'm surprised the parts manual doesn't show a breakdown for this valve. If all that's required is re-sealing a spool, it should theoretically be a pretty cheap/easy fix to tear the valve down and rebuild.
If the spools are bypassing what are you going to reseal? I thought $888 was low compared to what they usually want.

Dan