New truck,,,, maybe

[Sidekick]

I bought a 2018 Silverado and in a little over 2 years the frame was just about rusted through. It was after they removed the wash bath to save money and sealed the etching chemicals in under the wax undercoating causing it to rot from the inside out. One day chunks of undercoating and rusted metal fell on the garage floor alerting me to the issue. Found out it was a common issue with a TSB. Chevy agreed to do the TSB for it but after having it for 3 months said it was too bad to fix as the whole truck need to be disassembled for the TSB to be done and they couldn't even find a shop that would touch it. So they put 3/8 of an inch of Ziebart on the whole bottom and said they would monitor it a couple years because it would eventually rust out anyway then returned it. I asked forca replacement and GM said no because it would eventually rust out anyway. Luckily the dealership bought it back right before I hired a lawyer. GM is terrible if you have a serious problem. It was a pretty, comfortable, and powerful truck with the Corvette engine but lifters were getting noisy at under 10k miles also. Had the high desert package with ram boxes that were nice but expensive. Never ever had a Ford rust like that so went back to Ford that may have been another mistake with Pandemic quality in 2022.

 

[McMXi]

My 2023 F250 does those recall updates while it was sitting in my driveway. The ECM update just occurred last night and was notified this morning when I started up the truck.

My F-450 did some software updates in the first few months of ownership but I might have disabled that feature before heading off on a 3,500 mile trip last year. I don't like all the monitoring but I'll take a look today and see if I need to enable updates.

 

[dirtydeed]

This guy (Getty's Garage) puts out some pretty decent truck reviews. Here's one with the turbomax.

I found myself in the market for another SUV for the wifey just recently. Drove a few with turbo gassers. Not for me. I don't want anything to do with them. Too small on the CI side with lots of forced induction to make up for it. That isn't what I'd want in any vehicle. I'll stick with NA V8's for as long as I can, I'd even go with an NA V6 if forced to. Ended up with another Hemi. I know, not a great choice either but it works for me.

I just saw that new MOPAR 2.0L Hurricane will be pushing around 30 PSI if boost. Um, no. No thanks.

If your current silverado with a 5.3 is one of the good ones (there were some decent mils), I'd just keep driving it.

PS - I'm trying to not to let my own personal disinterest in all things GM show here. I think they have progressed to almost the bottom of the heap.

 

[skeets]

Someone asked why I wasnt looking at the 3.0 I really was, then diesel hit 6.30 a gallon, and I really dont drive enough any more to get it really hot and work all the carbon and nastys out of it 15 years ago it would have been a good deal. But if I can do away with the DFO and not break the back on the thingie I will do that.

 

[GeoHorn]

The problem that I personally have with Software-Updates which occur over WIFI or the vehicle’s network…. is the vehicle manufacturer…can TRACK your vehicle (and therefore You)…. HOW you drive, WHERE you drive…HOW FAST you drive…. etc etc etc. You give up your personal privacy by owning that vehicle….AND it gives them incredible details that May Invalidate the warranty, should they choose.

I disabled that on my vehicles. If there’s a TSB etc, I must take it in to the dealer….and I’m ok with that method.

For the first few decades of my young drivers-life I owned Fords and liked them. My Dad was a Chrysler/Dodge guy. But these were all pretty simple vehicles….all prior to 1980. After the turn-of the Millennium… things have become so electronic-dependent that “planned obsolescence“ is now a fait-accompli. My kids and relatives have preferred GM vehicles and they have all been expensive and unreliable. We also gave Saturn a try for few years …and there’s good reason you don’t see them anymore. That thing (2000 LS1) had only 500 miles on it…went into the shop…and we didn’t see it again for Six Months!
I’ve been driving Ram trucks …and heard horror-stories….but have personally had only reliable and basic trouble-free trucks.… they make 200K with zero issues…until I wreck ‘em.
Wife is a Toyota girl and it’s been pretty good also.

 

[Botamon]

I've owned three cars with gas engines and turbos and loved them, well, the German ones at least. I had pair of Audi Allroads with 2.7L twin turbo engines and a Subaru Forester 2.0L single turbo. The Audis were the best cars I've ever owned and I've owned a lot of cars. Zero engine issues and zero turbo issues in over 100K miles in both Audis. Come to think of it, with the tractors and M-1078, I've owned/own three cars, four trucks and three tractors with turbos, and since the Audis had two turbos each that makes for twelve turbos in all and not a single problem with any of them.


I owned a Ford Thunderbird SC for a while too. That was a fun car with the supercharger.

Another thread where a sample of one equates to all samples are bad.

Yup. Funny how some of the same guys who have no problem driving a turbocharged tractor or diesel pickup seem to think that suddenly, because that turbo is on a smaller gas engine, it is going to fail.

I drove a twin-turbo F150 pickup for 9 years. Absolutely no problems with the truck at all in that time, all I ever had to do was change fluids/filters and rotate the tires. Loved driving that truck, great economy plus plenty of power. But my needs changed so now I have a heavy-duty diesel. With a turbocharger!

 

[SDT]

OK, I passed up a deal on a new 26 Silverado with a 3.0 duramax, kinda glad I did now. But now I have been made an offer for the same truck with the 2.7 turbomax. My Silverado is only 10 years old with the 5.3 and other than some wear items no problems. I tried researching the pros and cons for the 2.7 and one guy says it is the best thing since sliced bread, and the next guy says its junk. I know the older ones have some issues, soanyone have a 2.7 and want to share anything about it ?

I suppose one could say that the GM 2.7L Turbomax is a GM version of Ford's Ecoboost family.

I recently bought a new GMC Canyon Denali with the 2.7, the only engine available, but cannot comment regarding durability as I have driven it less than 25 miles.

 

[jimh406]

You give up your personal privacy by owning that vehicle….AND it gives them incredible details that May Invalidate the warranty, should they choose.

I disabled that on my vehicles. If there’s a TSB etc, I must take it in to the dealer….and I’m ok with that method.

I don't think that does what you want. Once your vehicle is in the dealer system, your information is available to them.

 

[jimh406]

I suppose one could say that the GM 2.7L Turbomax is a GM version of Ford's Ecoboost family.

It might eventually be, but it also has years behind in development.

For any of these engines, it only takes minimal searches to find issues with them. Besides Google or similar, also visit the brand forums. There aren't that many engines that were done right the first time. Most have at least minimal issues for the first few years.

 

[McMXi]

For any of these engines, it only takes minimal searches to find issues with them.

But the same is true for anything. People don't go to forums to rave about the good, they go to rant about the bad. Without statistical data, real data, you're just another confirmation bias poster child.

Provide data of failure rates for the engines you constantly berate while putting your f'ing Cummins, Duramax or whatever on a pedestal. It's so fricken' tiresome.

My neighbor's tenant has two trucks with Duramax/Allison combinations. Both have/had issues but that doesn't make me think poorly of the combination.

I know of numerous Ford Super Duty trucks owned by friends, neighbors, colleagues etc., all with diesel engines and transmissions from various years. I happen to have the oldest one being an '02 and the overwhelming concensus from all concerned is that they're very happy with the trucks and would buy them again. I've owned an '02 F-350 dually (bought new) as well as the '02 F-250 I currently have (bought from a friend who was the original owner) and the '24 which had one owner for 17k miles. I would buy another Super Duty without any shadow of a doubt. Are they the best trucks on the road? I don't know and don't care. All that matters is that they work for me from how they perform, how they run, the comfort, the ride, how they look, how well they last etc.

 

[jimh406]

People don't go to forums to rave about the good, they go to rant about the bad. Without statistical data, real data, you're just another confirmation bias poster child.

People rave about good even here. For me, it's about being informed even if it's not all good.

Of course, if people would rather just read brochures and be uninformed of user experiences, that's up to them.

 

[McMXi]

People rave about good even here. For me, it's about being informed even if it's not all good.

Of course, if people would rather just read brochures and be uninformed of user experiences, that's up to them.

Being informed isn't making sweeping statements based off random, anonymous internet posts. You have no way of knowing if the poster is lying, misrepresenting the facts, ignorant of the facts, etc. I don't live in fear because someone claims to have issues with the 10-speed transmission in their truck.

I've driven thousands of miles in my new truck already, pulled heavy loads many hundreds of miles, and had a great experience with zero issues. That's real data from actual experience, not internet BS. This is the truck that some tosser on this forum warned me about, basically telling me that I was buying a defective truck. His logic was why was a new truck traded in after 15 months and 17,000 miles. How dim do you have to be to think there's only one reason why someone trades in a vehicle. Not doing something because something bad might happen is a sad way to live, it's the coward's way.

 

[jimh406]

Being informed isn't making sweeping statements based off random, anonymous internet posts.

Who did that?

 

[McMXi]

Who did that?

You do it constantly as you put down every engine and transmission that you don't own. Provide some actual data of the failure rates. TSBs are common in the industry from every manufacturer as are recalls, but pointing to complaints on forums is about as meaningful as product reviews on Amazon.

If I listened to many on this forum I wouldn't have tractors with DPF and regen, I wouldn't have a 6.7L Super Duty with the 10-speed transmission, I wouldn't have a boat, and on and on. What I see time and time again is people wanting others to make the same choices they made in order to validate their own decisions. That's what sheep do.

 

[jimh406]

You do it constantly as you put down every engine and transmission that you don't own.

Of course, I never did that even once.

 

[Sidekick]

Ford’s Recall Problem Is Getting Too Big to Ignore

Ford entered 2026 still under heavy recall pressure after a record 2025, and the numbers are already huge. Software related defects, regulatory scrutiny, and millions of affected vehicles show how serious the challenge remains, even as Ford says it is moving more aggressively to catch problems...

autos.yahoo.com

 

[SDT]

But the same is true for anything. People don't go to forums to rave about the good, they go to rant about the bad. Without statistical data, real data, you're just another confirmation bias poster child.

Provide data of failure rates for the engines you constantly berate while putting your f'ing Cummins, Duramax or whatever on a pedestal. It's so fricken' tiresome.

My neighbor's tenant has two trucks with Duramax/Allison combinations. Both have/had issues but that doesn't make me think poorly of the combination.

I know of numerous Ford Super Duty trucks owned by friends, neighbors, colleagues etc., all with diesel engines and transmissions from various years. I happen to have the oldest one being an '02 and the overwhelming concensus from all concerned is that they're very happy with the trucks and would buy them again. I've owned an '02 F-350 dually (bought new) as well as the '02 F-250 I currently have (bought from a friend who was the original owner) and the '24 which had one owner for 17k miles. I would buy another Super Duty without any shadow of a doubt. Are they the best trucks on the road? I don't know and don't care. All that matters is that they work for me from how they perform, how they run, the comfort, the ride, how they look, how well they last etc.

"But the same is true for anything. People don't go to forums to rave about the good, they go to rant about the bad. "

Bingo.

 

[McMXi]

Ford’s Recall Problem Is Getting Too Big to Ignore

Ford entered 2026 still under heavy recall pressure after a record 2025, and the numbers are already huge. Software related defects, regulatory scrutiny, and millions of affected vehicles show how serious the challenge remains, even as Ford says it is moving more aggressively to catch problems...

autos.yahoo.com

Funny how no one complains about the weekly/monthly updates needed for phones, computers, etc., but when it's a computer in a vehicle it's not an update it's a recall or a TSB. Yes, modern vehicles are incredibly complex, as are modern aircraft, but there are advantages to all that technology, and if having my truck take 10 minutes to download and install the latest software du jour then so be it. The driving experience is just too good to worry about such little things.

 

[xrocketengineer]

Every one of these engines fail somehow these days. Some failures are preventable. Check out the post mortems:

Ford Ecoboost 2.7

Toyota Twin Turbo 3.4

Chevrolet 2.7 Turbomax

Ford 5.0 Coyote Engine

Duramax 3.0

 

[Sidekick]

Funny how no one complains about the weekly/monthly updates needed for phones, computers, etc., but when it's a computer in a vehicle it's not an update it's a recall or a TSB. Yes, modern vehicles are incredibly complex, as are modern aircraft, but there are advantages to all that technology, and if having my truck take 10 minutes to download and install the latest software du jour then so be it. The driving experience is just too good to worry about such little things.

It's not just software updates. Quite a bit seems to be pandemic quality and cost cutting catching up. Supply chains offshore with engineers thousands of miles away doesn't help either. Sure, it's only 5 to 10 percent of production affected but not fun if you get unlucky. Takes 6 weeks to even get an an appointment anymore at my Ford dealer because they're so backlogged fixing warranty issues. Heck the local Chevy dealer had 30 new trucks they couldn't sell until the cams were replaced that backlogged 2 mechanics for weeks. It isn't all little things, it's leadership at the top.