M7060,.. Are wheel weights a must & a creeper gear?

[McMXi]

you are 100% correct that using when tractor loads are less than moderate.
Low range on trucks and creeper gears on small tractors like the M's can be two very different animals.

In the Kubota tractor world creeper is only for precision work when there is low or at most moderate loads on the transmission and drive train. They warn that in high torque situations bad things can and will happen wickedly quick. Its just not for very HD uses when traction is strong.

YMMV

I think @MapleLeafFarmer's post should be highlighted again. Thanks for your input on this thread, and hopefully this has helped @Stitchit1 get way ahead on the learning curve and not take four years to learn what creep range is for.

I will say that I'm still going to get the tractor on/off the trailer using creep range. It's just way more controllable that way, and I don't see a problem doing that. But as has been demonstrated, what the heck do I know.

@MapleLeafFarmer, can you please sign off on my using creep range to get the tractor and folding cutter on/off the trailer?

 

[MapleLeafFarmer]

@MapleLeafFarmer, can you please sign off on my using creep range to get the tractor and folding cutter on/off the trailer?

how the frack would I know.
I am probably one of the least technical people on this site.
I graduated grade school because my marks in farming class were really high and the physical education teacher took pity on me as he knew I wouldnt graduate without his high marks. Our farms first tractor had tracks... steel tracks not those new rubber Camso pods the Hutterite Colonies use.
You want to know who makes the best rubber boots that wont wear out or something learned from seat time Im your man. Understand why engineers do what they do, technical drawings, etc... i m definitely out of my league.

BTW... the answer is Baffin. They unarguably make the best rubber boots.

 

[McMXi]

how the frack would I know.
I am probably one of the least technical people on this site.
I graduated grade school because my marks in farming class were really high and the physical education teacher took pity on me as he knew I wouldnt graduate without his high marks. Our farms first tractor had tracks... steel tracks not those new rubber Camso pods the Hutterite Colonies use.
You want to know who makes the best rubber boots that wont wear out or something learned from seat time Im your man. Understand why engineers do what they do, technical drawings, etc... i m definitely out of my league.

BTW... the answer is Baffin. They unarguably make the best rubber boots.

I was joking (sort of) but no pressure. I don't think that the tractor is under any kind of stress getting on/off the gooseneck when in creep range, so I'll continue to use it for that, as well as any other situation where slow as a snail is good.

 

[SDT]

I think @MapleLeafFarmer's post should be highlighted again. Thanks for your input on this thread, and hopefully this has helped @Stitchit1 get way ahead on the learning curve and not take four years to learn what creep range is for.

I will say that I'm still going to get the tractor on/off the trailer using creep range. It's just way more controllable that way, and I don't see a problem doing that. But as has been demonstrated, what the heck do I know.

@MapleLeafFarmer, can you please sign off on my using creep range to get the tractor and folding cutter on/off the trailer?

Yes, creep range is just fine for loading/unloading from trailer. It is also ideal for pulling your tobacco setter and similar easily pulled implements that demand very low ground speed.

 

[CGMKCM]

 

[PaulL]

All great information.

Seems to me that when you reduce the gearing you increase the torque (gears are a torque multiplier). But if you were running full revs, and actually tried to put all that torque on the ground:

• I doubt you'd have the traction for it, even in the dry. It's a lot of torque. So probably you'd break traction before you broke the tractor
• If you have the traction and something is producing enough load to put force on the machine - like you've put a chain around a stump and you're trying to pull it out - then you'll break something

Obviously you could build creeper gear that was stronger. But it'd cost more, and I don't think there are many people using tractors in that way. If you want to pull out stumps you have a bulldozer, or maybe an excavator.

As others have said, the aim of the creeper gear is simply speed. If you have a lettuce planter, and that lettuce planter has to run at 540rpm (I presume they're like every other PTO driven implement and require to be run at 540rpm), and they also need to be run at 0.7kph, then you need gearing that lets you run at 0.7kph at PTO revs. There's no material load on the drivetrain - you're not dragging an implement through the ground, the gearing is purely about speed over ground.