LX vs. Standard L - are FELs and 3 pt capacity that close?

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I'm in the market to upgrade my 2019 BX2680 I purchased used in 2022. At the time, I was looking for a smaller frame B series like a B2601, but with Covid still impacting new and used sales, BX's were much easier to come by at what I thought was not a Covid inflated price. The BX has been good, but it's just too small.

I've been looking at the Standard L along with similar tractors from the other manufacturers, MF 1E, Kioti CK series, and JD 3E. I would like to stay with Kubota if at all possible, but I'm not super brand loyal. Not all that impressed with the JD 3Es, so those have been removed from contention.

I was just out at the New York Farm Show this past weekend and with most all the tractors there on display. I was able to do some good comparisons. I have to say I found the Standard L operator station pretty tight, probably enough that I don't think I'll be looking any further at those models. I found the MF 1E and Kioti CK with much more room. I'd give the advantage slightly to the Kioti, but the MF was very close and I'd probably take an MF over the Kioti.

If the standard L is out, I wanted to look again at the specs on the LX series. I knew the specs would be close given the overlap in the Kubota sub-compact/compact series, but they are essentially the same if I'm reading things right - loaders are all LA525/535/545 . Same thing with the 3 pt capacity, here it looks like the LX has more 3 pt capacity. For the LX, I would be looking at a LX3520 or LX3310, since I want at least 25 pto hp. I'd try to go used, but I'd buy new if that's which way it went.

My use is primarily rotary cutter, box blade, and tiller on the 3 pt and for loader work, moving soil or crushed stone as the heavier materials. I'd also like to get a grapple to move and load brush. I'm looking at a 2" capacity 5 ft rotary cutter, keep my 54" BB or move to a 60". I'd like to go with a 60" FEL bucket. My calcs on the FEL would be I would cut down moving a yard of material from 5 bucket loads with the BX to 3 bucket loads with the LX. If the FEL, 3 pt, and PTO hp are essentially the same or close to the Standard L, the only key spec I'd be giving up would be the overall weight of the tractor. I guess that might impact pushing into a pile with the FEL? I don't have a problem getting a full 48" bucket with the BX, I'm thinking a ballasted LX should be ok with a 60" bucket, definitely with a 54" bucket.

A 2" capacity 5 ft cutter is in the 650-750 lbs range, equivalent weight at 24" would be about 1000-1100 lbs. Seems as though the LX could handle the actual and equivalent weight?

Am I missing anything regarding the L vs. LX comparison? I have been thinking the L was a step up in capability from LX, but it seems more like two series with similar capability, one the standard/economy series, the other the deluxe series?

Beyond the standard L, I guess it would grand L? At least on paper, I like the specs on the L3560, but it might be physically a bit too big. I've got to see if I can find one close by to check out, definitely not as common on the dealer lots as the other series/models.
 

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The load capacity is basically the same. However, the L loader does it at a higher height. The end results is the L can lift more weight at the max height of the LX. The L is heavier with a larger engine. Even though they are rated at nearly the same HP, the L has more torque with the larger engine.

Visit Youtube or search and check out the L vs LX comparisons. Messicks has a few on their site and on YouTube.

If you plan to go higher than 25 hp, I consider both the Grand L and MX. Both have a lot more lift capacity.
 
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FWIW, I have an LX 25 SU, and it handles my RCR 1860 (2 inch max with slip clutch - weighs 599 pounds) fine over hilly terrain. I reclaimed 10+ acres of fields with tractor hood plus high weeds and a 10 foot high wall (20 yards deep and 70 yards long) of multiflora rose with this set up.

Additionally, I have moved and spread over 100 tons of gravel with the standard bucket. I would stay with the standard bucket and buy a tooth bar to help with any digging.
 
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The LX is a smaller tractor on shorter rubber. Regardless of loader capacity an LX is nowhere close to the muscle of a standard L.

Dan
 

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If I recall correctly the LX should weigh in approx 900-1K less than the standard L. I've seen many complain here about the standard L (in 25HP) can't pull a grade in high range. That has never been the case for me with the B2650 (LX sized machine).

The LX (with 60" bucket) will do 1/3 yard of material (be it stone, dirt or mulch) without a problem as long as you have rear ballast.

Perhaps some L owners can chime in on their experience with a rotary cutter.

Best of luck to you in your decision.
 

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If you plan to go higher than 25 hp, I consider both the Grand L and MX. Both have a lot more lift capacity.
I would think that an MX4900 should be in the mix of possible choices. The MX tractors offer a lot of bang for the buck. As someone who owned a BX25 for five years I also have the experience of outgrowing a tractor, and realize now that the BX was a gateway drug to bigger and better things. 😂

If I ever buy a mini excavator I won't make the same "mistake" of starting out with too small of a machine.
 

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If I recall correctly the LX should weigh in approx 900-1K less than the standard L. I've seen many complain here about the standard L (in 25HP) can't pull a grade in high range. That has never been the case for me with the B2650 (LX sized machine).

The LX (with 60" bucket) will do 1/3 yard of material (be it stone, dirt or mulch) without a problem as long as you have rear ballast.

Perhaps some L owners can chime in on their experience with a rotary cutter.

Best of luck to you in your decision.
High range on an L01 is a "high speed" road gear and my L3901 slows down on moderate gradex.

Other than that my tractor works in mid and low range. A 700# 72" finish mower and 500# 60" rotary cutter are "toys" both in terms of weight and PTO horsepower.

Dan
 
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Perhaps some L owners can chime in on their experience with a rotary cutter.
I have a Landpride RCR 1272 which is a 6 foot wide light duty rotary cutter (1 inch cutting capacity) which weighs in around 570 lbs. I pull it with my HST L2501 without issues. I maintain about 3 miles of two track trails along with mowing parts of my prairie planting. My land is rolling hills and mow in medium range.
 
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High range on an L01 is a "high speed" road gear.

Other than that my L3901 works in mid and low range. A 72" finish mower and 60" rotary cutter are "toys" both in terms of weight and PTO horsepower.

Dan
Agree. I don’t know why people complain about high range power. It’s only intended for road travel, not doing tractor work.

L = loader
M = mowing
H = highway
 
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If I ever buy a mini excavator I won't make the same "mistake" of starting out with too small of a machine.
Big 10-4. My frequent advice has been "Buy your fifth tractor first":)

My used L4240 came with an L854 and it feels like a pretty good match for it with just the cab and loaded rear tires. This tractor marks the end of the needing anything bigger pursuit for our 3-1//2 acres. In truth that happened a couple tractors ago, but even so, seeing larger tractors can get me dreaming.

The L4240 has the Rabbit/Turtle within each of the three ranges. It gets roaded to town (most often with an 8' snow plow) and HI/Rabbit isn't good for much of an incline. Hi/Turtle does OK, but it wouldn't do a real uphill stretch. She'll do 17-18 MPH max and that's fast enough for the way it handles. It's not a big Valtra and I'm not Juha Kankkunen :)
 

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Agree. I don’t know why people complain about high range power. It’s only intended for road travel, not doing tractor work.

L = loader
M = mowing
H = highway
Oh, so there aren't any grades on the highway? My driveway is a road and it has a 25% to 30% grade in places. My neighbors driveway is 400 yards long and has a 35% to 40% grade in places. You know how long it takes to drive from the bottom of my driveway to the top of my property, a total of around 600 yards in mid range vs. high range? If I'm going back and forth throughout the day that difference in time really adds up. Heck, moving snow takes a lot longer if I'm stuck in mid range all morning.

Having the ability to handle grades in high range is a plus in my world, but to each their own.
 
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Oh, so there aren't any grades on the highway? My driveway is a road and it has a 25% to 30% grade in places. My neighbors driveway is 400 yards long and has a 35% to 40% grade in places. You know how long it takes to drive from the bottom of my driveway to the top of my property, a total of around 600 yards in mid range vs. high range? If I'm going back and forth throughout the day that difference in time really adds up. Heck, moving snow takes a lot longer if I'm stuck in mid range all morning.

Having the ability to handle grades in high range is a plus in my world, but to each their own.
My driveway is 2300’ but I still travel it in M. I only use H on the paved road. But lower HP tractors might need to use M on highway grades. Expecting more isn’t realistic for smaller machines.
 

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The LA535 on my LX3310 seems pretty gutless but I'm use to operating a 4310 and 4410 JD. I haven't really measured the max lifting capability on it but I bought a stump bucket it won't curl if I stick it 3/4 way into the dirt. Every time I've tried using the stump bucket I have to back out a little to get it to lift and curl.

It's been fairly useful with a small grapple but I haven't really put that to any limits. Mostly brush and a few larger size limbs.

Also remember the newer 30 HP plus machines are going to have a DPF and require regeneration from time to time. Sometimes more frequent than you want.
 
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Having the ability to handle grades in high range is a plus in my world, but to each their own.
Agreed. Moving piles of dirt from point A to a far away point B in Medium range would be quite annoying for me. Then again, I don't have time to waste when I'm on a paying job.

YMMV
 
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Agreed. Moving piles of dirt from point A to a far away point B in Medium range would be quite annoying for me. Then again, I don't have time to waste when I'm on a paying job.

YMMV
When bucketing material I never hit top speed in M. Half the bucket would be on the ground enroute.
 
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I'm in the market to upgrade my 2019 BX2680 I purchased used in 2022. At the time, I was looking for a smaller frame B series like a B2601, but with Covid still impacting new and used sales, BX's were much easier to come by at what I thought was not a Covid inflated price. The BX has been good, but it's just too small.

I've been looking at the Standard L along with similar tractors from the other manufacturers, MF 1E, Kioti CK series, and JD 3E. I would like to stay with Kubota if at all possible, but I'm not super brand loyal. Not all that impressed with the JD 3Es, so those have been removed from contention.

I was just out at the New York Farm Show this past weekend and with most all the tractors there on display. I was able to do some good comparisons. I have to say I found the Standard L operator station pretty tight, probably enough that I don't think I'll be looking any further at those models. I found the MF 1E and Kioti CK with much more room. I'd give the advantage slightly to the Kioti, but the MF was very close and I'd probably take an MF over the Kioti.

If the standard L is out, I wanted to look again at the specs on the LX series. I knew the specs would be close given the overlap in the Kubota sub-compact/compact series, but they are essentially the same if I'm reading things right - loaders are all LA525/535/545 . Same thing with the 3 pt capacity, here it looks like the LX has more 3 pt capacity. For the LX, I would be looking at a LX3520 or LX3310, since I want at least 25 pto hp. I'd try to go used, but I'd buy new if that's which way it went.

My use is primarily rotary cutter, box blade, and tiller on the 3 pt and for loader work, moving soil or crushed stone as the heavier materials. I'd also like to get a grapple to move and load brush. I'm looking at a 2" capacity 5 ft rotary cutter, keep my 54" BB or move to a 60". I'd like to go with a 60" FEL bucket. My calcs on the FEL would be I would cut down moving a yard of material from 5 bucket loads with the BX to 3 bucket loads with the LX. If the FEL, 3 pt, and PTO hp are essentially the same or close to the Standard L, the only key spec I'd be giving up would be the overall weight of the tractor. I guess that might impact pushing into a pile with the FEL? I don't have a problem getting a full 48" bucket with the BX, I'm thinking a ballasted LX should be ok with a 60" bucket, definitely with a 54" bucket.

A 2" capacity 5 ft cutter is in the 650-750 lbs range, equivalent weight at 24" would be about 1000-1100 lbs. Seems as though the LX could handle the actual and equivalent weight?

Am I missing anything regarding the L vs. LX comparison? I have been thinking the L was a step up in capability from LX, but it seems more like two series with similar capability, one the standard/economy series, the other the deluxe series?

Beyond the standard L, I guess it would grand L? At least on paper, I like the specs on the L3560, but it might be physically a bit too big. I've got to see if I can find one close by to check out, definitely not as common on the dealer lots as the other series/models.
Good day.

I started with a BX, and in my opinion Bx to B is not much of an upgrade. It’s basically a lift kit and a negligible amount of additional machine weight and lift. When you use the lift on the B you find out it still has a small stance and your tiltometer lets you know pretty quick if the loader is in the air and you have a load on.

If you are unhappy with the BX capabilities, I’d recommend consider to get a size bigger than what you think you need. (I’d be looking at comparison of machine weights, stance and lift capability….doubling the machine weight is a good way to buy a very noticeable upgrade in capability). If you are looking in the overlap range of those 3 criteria, then I think the difference could be negligible or maybe not meet your expectation if you were looking for more machine than what you have. JMHO.

Happy shopping.
 
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I have a L2501HST and live on a grade at 4500 ft. I think maybe some people forget they are driving a tractor. It's not going to be as fast as a car/truck.

Sure, if you were going miles, the speed might matter a lot. In practice, I don't feel like I can safely go downhill at full speed in H with no load. I think that mean I couldn't do it uphill either.

It's not much different in M, but I do feel safe without a load in the grader/scraper downhill. I can't go full speed uphill with a load in M. I don't find it a big deal, but you might.

I don't have an issue going full speed in L uphill working on the road, but I usually stay in M and don't depress the treadle fully so I stay at 2300 RPMs or so. That works for me using my grader scraper doing the community road even uphill. Then, downhill I go full speed.

On the other hand, I don't have any DPF to deal with and my tractor was cheaper than all DPF models. Everything is a tradeoff. I'm happy with my tradeoffs.
 
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When bucketing material I never hit top speed in M. Half the bucket would be on the ground enroute.
You simply need more practice. ;)

I suppose that I shouldn't mention that I frequently plow with the rear blade in High range...to get some more lift for throwing snow over the existing banks.

flame away. lol
 
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You simply need more practice. ;)

I suppose that I shouldn't mention that I frequently plow with the rear blade in High range...to get some more lift for throwing snow over the existing banks.

flame away. lol
No - I have 35+ years experience. I need smoother and more level ground.

I have a paved 2000' lane. I could plow snow downhill in H but I would wind up in a spinout throwing the tractor over the hillside pretty quickly.

In other words M is as fast as I can safely and effectively operate. YMMV

Dan
 
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