Grand L4060 Rear Remotes and Top & Tilt

[Papadiver]

I want to add rear remotes to my new to me 2021 Grand L4060. It has the 3rd function. Here is what I am considering:
Kubota control & valve kit. I want 3. So with kubota it’s pricy. I like the look & it keeps it nice and neat using the openings there for it. Summit top and tilt cylinder kits. But maybe there is a better more cost effective way….What are you using?

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Without going to some serious fabrication, you are pretty much stuck using the Kubota rear remotes.

The L4060 3pt should really have 2 1/2" dia cylinders so that you don't have cylinder issues.

Good luck with the Summit T&T kit, I believe they use 2" cylinders, but maybe not.

 

[TheOldHokie]

I want to add rear remotes to my new to me 2021 Grand L4060. It has the 3rd function. Here is what I am considering:
Kubota control & valve kit. I want 3. So with kubota it’s pricy. I like the look & it keeps it nice and neat using the openings there for it. Summit top and tilt cylinder kits. But maybe there is a better more cost effective way….What are you using?

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Adding a generic valve and outlets is not brain surgery but it will never look as good as OEM. It will be big time cheaper and aside from ergonomics just as functional.

Dan

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Adding a generic valve and outlets is not brain surgery but it will never look as good as OEM. It will be big time cheaper and aside from ergonomics just as functional.

Dan

He has a cab tractor, EVERY 3rd party rear remote set that I have ever seen for a cab tractor is, well, just a mess. But that is only my experience, maybe you know differently?
But you are correct, it would be less $$$$ and functional. Good luck using manual valves.

 

[TheOldHokie]

He has a cab tractor, EVERY 3rd party rear remote set that I have ever seen for a cab tractor is, well, just a mess. But that is only my experience, maybe you know differently?
But you are correct, it would be less $$$$ and functional. Good luck using manual valves.

I didnt notice the cab part. That would be more challenging. I recently helped a customer with an aftermarket cab on a B series. That install was actually easy but the cab was far from airtight

Dan

 

[McMXi]

I want to add rear remotes to my new to me 2021 Grand L4060. It has the 3rd function. Here is what I am considering:
Kubota control & valve kit. I want 3. So with kubota it’s pricy. I like the look & it keeps it nice and neat using the openings there for it. Summit top and tilt cylinder kits. But maybe there is a better more cost effective way….What are you using?

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I have three sets of Kubota rear remotes and 3rd functions on both tractors and had the same on the first MX6000HST. Personally I'd only choose Kubota since nothing that I've seen compares to the fit and finish of the Kubota kits.

At least you know what it will cost to add Kubota remotes and levers to your L4060. You're looking at $2,659 if you opt for a double acting remote and two float detent (FD) remotes. Order through sales and install the kits yourself if you want to save money. If you plan on keeping the tractor, the cost will fade into distant memory.

When I ordered the MX6000HSTC 4-1/2 years ago I paid $2,031 to have three rear remotes installed. I opted for two DA and one FD. When I bought the M6060 off the lot in Sheridan, WY almost 4 years ago it already had two rear remotes installed. One is standard (SCD) and I was charged $900 for the second one which is the FD variety. I had the local Kubota dealer install a third rear remote (FD) for $1,209.

 

[McMXi]

As for top-n-tilt, I moved the factory kit from the MX6000HST to the MX6000HSTC when I took delivery of the new tractor in December of 2021. According to my spreadsheet, the top-n-tilt kit (L8388A) was $911 and I ordered it from the sales department when I bought the MX6000HST in February of 2021.

I remember that I wanted to order a similar kit from the local dealer when I bought the M6060 but no Kubota kit was available. The dealer "cobbled" together a top-n-tilt kit for me and charged me $1,605 for a kit that's no where near as nice as the Kubota kit that I got for the MX. That was probably a bad decision on my part and I should have done the work and put my own kit together. I don't like how the dealer installed the hoses but that's my only real complaint and something I intend to fix. As for function, both top-n-tilts work fine for me and have for the past 5+ years. There are plenty of options available, but that L8388A is a nice kit with protective sleeves on the hoses that are secured to the hoses via stainless steel clamps.

 

[McMXi]

I see that Kubota still offers the top-n-tilt kit that I have on my MX. It's $1,120 now which isn't bad considering that it was $911 five years ago.

 

[Papadiver]

Thanks for all the replies! This is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for.

Ron

 

[Papadiver]

I see that Kubota still offers the top-n-tilt kit that I have on my MX. It's $1,120 now which isn't bad considering that it was $911 five years ago.

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That kit price is not bad considering it is genuine Kabota…….

 

[Papadiver]

I have three sets of Kubota rear remotes and 3rd functions on both tractors and had the same on the first MX6000HST. Personally I'd only choose Kubota since nothing that I've seen compares to the fit and finish of the Kubota kits.

At least you know what it will cost to add Kubota remotes and levers to your L4060. You're looking at $2,659 if you opt for a double acting remote and two float detent (FD) remotes. Order through sales and install the kits yourself if you want to save money. If you plan on keeping the tractor, the cost will fade into distant memory.

When I ordered the MX6000HSTC 4-1/2 years ago I paid $2,031 to have three rear remotes installed. I opted for two DA and one FD. When I bought the M6060 off the lot in Sheridan, WY almost 4 years ago it already had two rear remotes installed. One is standard (SCD) and I was charged $900 for the second one which is the FD variety. I had the local Kubota dealer install a third rear remote (FD) for $1,209.

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Yes, I feel the fit and finish is worth it for the Kubota rear remotes. That’s what I was already thinking. Thanks

 

[Papadiver]

Without going to some serious fabrication, you are pretty much stuck using the Kubota rear remotes.

The L4060 3pt should really have 2 1/2" dia cylinders so that you don't have cylinder issues.

Good luck with the Summit T&T kit, I believe they use 2" cylinders, but maybe not.

Did not realize that about 2 inch versus 2 1/2. Thanks

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Just a heads up about the Kubota T&T sets.

They recommend the same kit number (L8388A) for all of the cat 1 and cat 1-2 Grand L models as well as the MX models. The cat 1 models, the cat 1-2 models and the MX models all have different 3pt hitches. So somewhere in there, there are compromises. The side links are definitely different, and the cat 1 top links should be shorter than the cat 1-2 top links, besides just being cat 1-2 capable.

So, being Kubota does not indicate that they are the optimum T&T set for the tractor.

Again, just an FYI.

 

[McMXi]

Just a heads up about the Kubota T&T sets.

They recommend the same kit number (L8388A) for all of the cat 1 and cat 1-2 Grand L models as well as the MX models. The cat 1 models, the cat 1-2 models and the MX models all have different 3pt hitches. So somewhere in there, there are compromises. The side links are definitely different, and the cat 1 top links should be shorter than the cat 1-2 top links, besides just being cat 1-2 capable.

So, being Kubota does not indicate that they are the optimum T&T set for the tractor.

Again, just an FYI.

Good point. The MX has a CAT I & II 3-point hitch whereas the L4060 is listed as having a CAT I 3-point hitch. I guess there will be more bushings required for the L4060. Hopefully some L4060 or similar owners will chime in.

That L8388A top-n-tilt kit has worked great for me though on two MX tractors for over 5 years, but I run a QH10 on the MX most of the time, unless I have the flail on which isn't QH compatible.

 

[McMXi]

Without going to some serious fabrication, you are pretty much stuck using the Kubota rear remotes.

The L4060 3pt should really have 2 1/2" dia cylinders so that you don't have cylinder issues.

Good luck with the Summit T&T kit, I believe they use 2" cylinders, but maybe not.

The Kubota L8388A top-n-tilt kit uses 3" cylinders in case anyone is wondering about that. I do remember one issue I ran into with the top link cylinder that I fixed myself. The heim joint or eye at the end of the rod collapsed on me so I cut it off and welded on a new eye that is CAT 2 and not a CAT I/CAT II combo if that's what it was.

 

[GrumpyFarmer]

I only have a hydraulic top link. I ended up buying a kit from FitRite. And I was so pleased with the experience that I had them make me a kit for my dump wagon that I can use with(or without) my winch. I could not be happier with both kits.

Brian (I think?) took the time to understand my needs and work with me to provide a kit for my specific application. All I had to do was take the measurements for the proper hose length they needed to make the kit, pay the bill, and then simple install when everything arrived in a very well packed kit. Easy peasy.

if I needed another kit they would be my first call.

since someone might be a bit humble, here is a link…it’s worth a click and probably call to see if they still make kits on request IMO.

https://www.fitritehydraulics.com/

 

[MtnViewRanch]

MxMXi, I'm not saying that they don't work, if they didn't, Kubota would not be selling them.

Just that Kubota is compromising because the 3 different machines have different std hitch parts, but they have decided that one size works for these 3 different applications. By doing that, the units can not be optimal working lengths for all 3 hitches. In reality, the set is not optimal for any of the 3, they have compromised for whatever reasons. Most likely $$$$.

And yes, the top link ball swivel ends are definitely a weak point of the Kubota hydraulic top link.

 

[McMXi]

MxMXi, I'm not saying that they don't work, if they didn't, Kubota would not be selling them.

Just that Kubota is compromising because the 3 different machines have different std hitch parts, but they have decided that one size works for these 3 different applications. By doing that, the units can not be optimal working lengths for all 3 hitches. In reality, the set is not optimal for any of the 3, they have compromised for whatever reasons. Most likely $$$$.

And yes, the top link ball swivel ends are definitely a weak point of the Kubota hydraulic top link.

I didn't think you were and I agree with you that Kubota could do a better job by offering more kits rather than one size for all. I also don't think that the Kubota kit is the best solution, just one choice that has worked well for me.

Out of interest, what would a top-n-tilt kit cost from you? Is the Kubota pricing way off at $1,120?

I hope that they've got rid of that awful CAT 1/CAT 2 swivel end since it proved to be a disaster for me. I was able to cut it off and weld on a much better swivel that has worked well for the last 5 years. Before and after shown below.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Fit Rite cylinders for these 3 applications are 2 1/2" dia cylinders with 1 1/2" dia rods.
Just the std T&T kit, toplink, side link, hoses with 1/2" male AG-type couplers, and built-in flow restrictors are $1426 shipped in the lower 48 states.
Option to add check valves for $260.
So $1686 with the check valves for any of these 3 sets.

The cat 1 Grand L set has a 10" stroke top link with a 21 1/4"- 31 1/4" working length. A 5" stroke side link built to have the rod extended halfway to have the implement level side-side and maintain the OEM 3pt lift height. The top ball swivel has a 6* angle on it.

The cat 1-2 Grand L set has a 12" stroke top link with a narrow (1 3/4") cat 2 rod end with a cat 1 reducer bushing having a working length of 23 1/4"-35 1/4".
The side link also has a 5" stroke, but with a different lower clevis to match the OEM unit.
This unit is roughly 1" longer than the cat 1 unit. It to has a 6* angle on the top ball swivel.

The cat 1-2 MX series tractors take the same cat 1-2 top link as the Grand L cat 1-2 tractors.
The side link still only has a 5" stroke unit but is yet another 1" longer than the cat 1-2 Grand L side link to maintain the OEM 3pt lift height and provide an equal amount ot tilt angle to both sides.
It has a 4* angle on the lower clevis.

You might think that with the MX series being roughly 2" longer than the cat 1 Grand L that a 6" stroke cylinder would work, but the way the clevises are, it does not work out to use a 6" stroke and maintain the 2-hole lower clevis.

You will not find a nicer product.

So hopefully this helps some people, and this post does not get pulled.

 

[McMXi]

You will not find a nicer product.

So hopefully this helps some people, and this post does not get pulled.

I think the saying goes "you get what you pay for" and I for one hope your post stays where it is. This is excellent information and I hope members reach out to you. You were incredibly knowledgeable and helpful when I added Summit Hydraulics multipliers and Scorpion control grips to both tractors and you didn't make a penny from that.

Could you provide pricing and images for the M7060/M6060 tractors? I suppose it would cover the M4 tractors too. I would be interested in seeing what might be out there rather than the cobbled together kit I got from the local Kubota dealer.