B6100 FEL pricing

[Sterno]

Looking around for a loader for the 6100. The going rate seems to be around $1500 in my neck of the woods. This seems a bit spendy for 25+ year old equipment considering that a new FEL from Coldwater is under $2000 to my door.
I had planned on spending around $1000, am I kidding myself with that number?

What would a reasonable price be for a used FEL in either BC or Washington State?

 

[Big Kahuna]

That's what I thought price wise, here's the link to my rebuild.
http://www.orangetractortalks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6383
I like factory equipment, and if your not in a hurry you can find one, they are out there.

Big Kahuna

 

[Eric McCarthy]

Coldwater tractor by far as the best price you'll find on a loader. Won't find a loader new for less then 2000. If you do please let us know!

 

[300zx]

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Coldwater Tractor FEL doesn't have the auxiliary hydraulic pump that runs off of the front crankshaft/pto like the B219. I believe it uses the the tractors hydraulic pump. That is the prime reason I stayed with the B219 and along with the fact that I prefer OEM attachments.

To give you a data point, I gave $1200 for my B219 here on the east coast and proceeded to refurbish the cylinders, hoses and frame. I had the frame sand blasted and powder coated. With the refurbishment, I ended up with $1800 to $2000 in it. If you decide to go with the Coldwater FEL, I would check with others that they are getting enough hydraulic flow from the tractors hydraulic pump to satisfy the FEL.

John in VA

 

[Eric McCarthy]

Modern lodaers run off the tractors hydraulic pump, the seperate auxiliary pump is the old school method on older tractors and loaders. Plenty of guys on here have been buying up loaders from Coldwater and seem to be happy with them.

You could end up waiting around forever and a day on a used factory loader.

 

[300zx]

Modern lodaers run off the tractors hydraulic pump, the seperate auxiliary pump is the old school method on older tractors and loaders. Plenty of guys on here have been buying up loaders from Coldwater and seem to be happy with them.

You could end up waiting around forever and a day on a used factory loader.

Eric, at what point do you think tractor hydraulics improved to the point they could handle the FEL? My B7100 is a 1979 and I was't sure it would, so I bought the B219 with the auxiliary pump that was made for that tractor. My '91 B2150, on the other hand, has no trouble with the LA350 FEL using the tractors hydraulic pump.

John

 

[Eric McCarthy]

Since tractors first started using hydraulics there has been enough power to install loaders. The first loaders were kinda crude and were manure buckets. Some of the older Ford 8N's you could put a loader on. The reason for the auxiliary hydraulics on some loader is because it was a live continuous running pump. The draw back on the older tractors was the clutch had to be let out in order for the hydraulics to work.

8N's and 9N's the 3pth would not work until the clutch was out. Fast Forward a few years to the Ford Jubilee and the 600 series and those has live hydraulics.

 

[kubotasam]

I have 3 B7100's. Two have the 219 loaders with the front mounted pump. One uses the the regular tractor pump. The 219 loaders with the front pump are significantly faster than the loader that uses the tractors pump.

 

[Big Kahuna]

At 3 GPM for the tractor pump and 8 GPM for the front drive pump, it's easy to see which is faster, I just rebuilt the front pump last year for under $50, it works fine.

Big Kahuna

 

[North Idaho Wolfman]

Do different B7100 models have different pumps?

 

[Eric McCarthy]

Before the pressure reliefe valve came out on hydraulic systems. The front pto pump worked much faster but would also continue to lift and lift. You could damn near lift a house but at some point when the load got to heavy it would break the loader lift arms.

 

[MagKarl]

Before the pressure reliefe valve came out on hydraulic systems. The front pto pump worked much faster but would also continue to lift and lift. You could damn near lift a house but at some point when the load got to heavy it would break the loader lift arms.

How the heck do you come up with this stuff? When do you think the pressure relief valve was invented?

 

[Eric McCarthy]

Many of the older tractors that had front end loaders would just keep lifting on the hydraulics until you either took your hand off the loader or something broke. I gather the pressure reliefe valve came sometime after enough loader arms and hydraulic cylinders broke in half.

The exact date in which it came I do not know, but I read up about the history of tractors and how they came to be in a thick hard back book I got as a present one year.

 

[Eric McCarthy]

The book is named Tractors The Worlds Greatest Tractors. It's a 96 page book covering tractors back to the 1890's.

 

[MagKarl]

The subject at hand is front mounted hydraulic pumps powering loaders on Kubota tractors.

I have never heard of a production hydraulic system without a PRV, it's a serious safety issue and the "fuse" of the system.

I'm would bet the world accepted the pressure relief valve as a necessity back in the days of steam, not the 70's.

 

[Eric McCarthy]

Well once apon a time I used to drive trucks for the local Blue dealership. They sent me to go pick up an late 60's early 70's model Ford 2000 with a FEL and warned me that the loader moves very that it does not have a bypass valve on it. So I just go by what I'm told and the info I've read. I'm not trying to blow smoke up anybodies ass...


Just because YOU haven't "heard" of it doesn't mean its not true. Do a little research for yourself. It was a huge safety problem for the longest time. And it was with tractors that had the front mount hydraulic pump.

 

[kubotasam]

A few years ago I owned a 1950's Ford 600 tractor with a front end loader that had a front mounted, crankshaft driven hydraulic pump. That tractor had a relief valve built in the loader control valve.I know because I rebuilt it. I have never seen a tractor loader without a relief valve. The garage up the road has what I believe to be a 1960's Ford 2000 that has a loader. I will stop this weekend and look at that tractor to see if it has a front pump and if it has a relief valve.