ZD326 Front Scalp Wheel Pins: How Loose?

Mr Haney

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Spring is here, and that means I'm back working on the used ZD326 mower I bought last year.

Last season, I got this thing in shape for the most part, but I did not finish fixing up the front scalp wheels on the deck.

When I bought the mower, I didn't know what I was doing, and I found out it had no front scalp wheels. The reason was that the bosses (vertical tubes) that held the pins (vertical wheel shafts) were messed up. I don't recall all the details, but at least one of them had metal stuck to the inside of it, as though somebody had drilled out a frozen pin and left the skin adhering to the boss.

Last year, I got things opened up as well as I could and installed new front pins and wheels. The mower worked, but one wheel liked to drag in the dirt, so my yard has some scars.

Today I went to work getting the metal out of the boss with the wheel that didn't turn well. My hope is to make it turn and quit digging into the ground. It also had a snapped-off zerk I had to deal with.

I got the metal out by alternating a propane torch with a can of computer dust spray. I heated and then froze. I sacrificed a punch, driving it between the unwanted metal and the inner wall of the boss, and eventually, it broke loose. The spray was what did it. I held the can upside-down and sprayed the liquid contents on the inside of the boss, and it froze the extra metal very well.

I was not able to do anything with the frozen zerk. There was no way to make it turn. I ended up opening it up with a unibit, and then I ran an M6 tap through it. Somehow, this created threads strong enough for a new zerk, so I ordered some to install tomorrow. I don't know if I cut threads in old rust and bits of mangled zerk or what, but if it holds, I don't care.

Once the zerks are in, the assemblies will look like the parts diagram, but I'm not sure it shows everything.

My question: are these pins supposed to be loose? I would say there is over 1/32" of difference between the bore ID and the pin OD. Seems likely to cause binding when the pressure is on, but I don't know. I don't think there is room for a bushing in there to tighten things up, but I could be wrong.

These pins are not like the rear pins, which need to be loose to prevent rusting and seizing permanently. Because these pins turn in their bosses, they should be less likely to seize, although I guess it would be possible, especially if the mower sat in a rust-friendly environment over a winter.

I can feel a small depression inside one boss around the zerk opening, so I assume that is a grease pocket. I didn't feel anything like that inside the other boss. I am thinking I should go in there with a carbide burr and make some space for grease.
 

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My pins aren’t loose but the plastic wheels are due to excessive wear. The scalp wheels are a crappy design IMHO. I don’t bother replacing them any more as it’s a futile exercise.
 
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Do the pins have any free play at all?

I should be able to make new pins that are thicker if I have to.

The design is hard to understand, since trouble-free scalp wheel designs existed decades earlier.

I greatly improved Kubota's rear scalp wheel design with little effort. I suppose I can correct Kubota again.
 

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I’ll have to check to confirm.

From what I remember the plastic wheels have a plastic bearing on a metal shaft. After the plastic wears and gets sloppy, dirt gets inside and grinds down the shaft. I replaced the shaft and wheels once, the second set did the exact same thing. instead of wasting money installing a third set I figured I’d be better off “re-inventing the wheel” using roller bearings and a different shaft.

My deck is set up so the scalp wheels are not touching level ground. It’s a low priority item for me.
 
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Thanks. To be clear, I'm talking about the vertical pins, not the axles.
 

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On my 'not Orange' mower, the pins vertically are a loosey-goosey fit. Tight would require greasing and some method of keeping grit out. A loose fit, while it will wear (a little), does not need greasing and will not retain grit.

Kind of dumb for them to not be like casters and roll in the direction of travel.

I set mine to be about an inch off the garage floor and the mower set for a 3" cut. I only feel them hitting the ground on roots or major projections.
 

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I put new wheels on today. The axles on the old ones were dry, so I guess while I was doing all the other repairs and maintenance, I failed to grease them. I don't recall them refusing to turn, though. The thing I was concerned about was their failure to rotate as the mower changed direction.

I replaced the zerks on the vertical bosses today. One was totally blocked.

I ran the mower around a little bit, and it seems better.

I got the height setting (which I have not changed) from a manual.

The rear pins I modified are doing great. I highly recommend trimming the pins for anyone who is concerned about binding from rust. You can always remove them several times a season and clean and grease them, but it's nice to know I'll never have to do any of that.

I'll post a few photos.

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Maybe if I grease it enough and keep the wheels adjusted correctly, it will work.

A bushing would have to be a pipe with walls under 1/16" thick, so I don't see any hope unless I cut the bosses off the mower, bore them out, and push thicker bushings in. If I'm going to do that, I might as well just make new bosses.

I think I'll email Kubota and see if they will tell me anything.
 
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I have to thank you. I don't know what's going on, but I looked the diagrams over before I posted here, and somehow, I was sure there was no bushing. You pointed it out, and when I clicked your link, it jumped right out at me. Very obvious. Maybe I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue!

I ordered 4 bushings, and I plan to install them with anti-seize. I agree with your negative assessment of the design. It is literally designed to seize so you can't get old bushings out.

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Today I installed the bushings. Only one wheel needed them, so now I have two spares. The original owner managed to get one left-hand bushing out, and the one that remained in the bore was screwed up so badly the wheel could not be installed. I didn't realize the right-hand boss still had bushings in it until today.

I am unimpressed with the design. These bushings are made to fit extremely tightly in the bores for no clear reason at all, and this probably contributes to the seizing. It definitely makes new ones hard to install. I cleaned the bore with sandpaper and a wire brush, I applied anti-seize to the bushings and bore, and I still had to hammer the new top bushing in. The lower one was not a problem.

The bushings are split to allow some contraction as you beat them in, but the split is around 1 mm, so it doesn't make much difference. The bushings can't close up enough to make the fit work well. If I really cared, I would open the splits up so they would still be open after the bushings were hammered in. This would improve the design a lot. There is no reason for the bushings to be tight in the bores. If they were loose, they might perform better, and they could be replaced in three minutes. The top ones should be a little snug to hold them up and provide a gap between the bushings so grease can flow in from the zerk, but the bottom bushings should be completely loose, since gravity keeps them out of the way of the grease.

Since I expect to be dead before the bushings have to be replaced again, I don't think it is worth it to spend 20 minutes altering them.

The wheel no longer wobbles, but it is held more snugly than I would like. It turns with some resistance. The other wheel, which has old bushings, turns more freely. I hope this doesn't mean I have to pop the new bushings out and replace them with altered new bushings, but if I do, it's not a big problem.

Now I have to fabricate a grass flap, because apparently nobody makes a decent one for this deck, and I also have to take the seat belt latch off, put it on the bench, and see if I can unfreeze it. I also have to fabricate a piece of steel to replace the metal that was mashed up because this machine was run with scalp wheels either missing or adjusted incorrectly.

I opened up the front axle spindles, thinking the bearings probably needed to be replaced, but they look good. Tons of grease, including old grease I didn't pump in. Kubota put rubber caps over the bearings to keep the weather out, and they apparently make all the difference. I have some bearings just in case.

I am excited about seeing those front scalp wheels turn as they should.
 
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