Difficult for sure.the problem with making a decision these days is in finding the TRUTH about whatever 'it' is.....
hmm.. is that glass 1/2 empty or is it half full ?
Interesting!Henro, I believe that your freedom to decide is your decision. I believe having information about all facts, pro and con, related to the shots is crucial. I, my wife, and my 3 adult children have refused the shots. I know that all information has not been presented, especially on the con side because of suppression by media and government, pertaining to the vacs. We were told / ordered to mask, it was 100% according to government, Medical, media, CDC, now being told masking not affective other than N95 mask which are not 100%. IMO there has not been enough time of usage to see possible long lasting side effects or damage to the human body. There are studies out there, many suppressed, that show problems created with the heart and lungs from both the vacs and from having COVID. With that said, because of my business, my desire to never harm anyone else, or infringe on anyone else's beliefs we follow all protocols and more. Masks, gloves, sanitizers, booty's, etc... I still caught COVID Delta December 2020 and the Omicron this January. I would be considered high risk, 61, type 2 diabetic, blood pressure but take no medications. I try to live a healthy lifestyle to offset those issues. Those with severe comorbidities have a different situation to consider and should. It was not fun to have covid but was no different than having any other flu or cold I have had in my lifetime. My Dad (at the time 83) had heart valve repair surgery in January 2020, got out of hospital just as Delta was coming on strong. As we were checking out, they were closing to visitors. His primary doctor, well as he put it, she brow beat him to vaccinate at every visit. He never vaccinated and never got sick. August of last year he told me he was tired of the doctor harassment, so he wanted me to take him to get the Moderna shot. First shot he didn't feel good couple days. Second shot no problems until 2 weeks later he had a mini stroke and fell. Luckly did not hurt himself in fall. Doctor said he got up to fast. 2 weeks later another mini stroke and fell right in front of me. We were on the way to the doctor so got him up and carried him. Doctor said test showed the shots had inflamed his heart causing the symptoms, but she could not put it in his files as such. Go figure!! It took 4 months for him to get his cognitive senses and mobility back. He turned 84 January and has not gotten covid and back to his self. He refuses to take another shot. He has never vaccinated other than childhood and says he never will again. Yes, he and I are blessed by God, and therein lies our faith and freedom to decide for ourselves. May God bless you also brother in your endeavors!!
I think you hit the nail on the head, the ability to find reliable, trustworthy source of information.Difficult for sure.
Without having trust in anything/anyone it is even more difficult.
Not sure what the answer is if one has no faith in anything. Not meaning a value judgement by any means. Decisions are obviously more difficult for some than others. As well as easy for others too.
Anyway I got my answer I think. Next time we will delay the booster for a bit, thinking that might make the most sense for us. To each his own.
I really do appreciate the insight given by others in this thread.
Problem solved, get two half full glasses, pour one into the other and stick the empty glass under the full one.the problem with making a decision these days is in finding the TRUTH about whatever 'it' is.....
hmm.. is that glass 1/2 empty or is it half full ?
This is the CDC criteria for the additional booster for mod-severe immunocompromised:This is ABSOLUTELY not a question related to whether someone should get a vaccination or not.
This question is simply asking for opinions from those who decided to get vaccinated to begin with.
Free choice, no opinion to be voiced here.
Simply a question as to how those that decided to get vaccinated against the corona virus might think about a 4th dose.
AGAIN, IF YOU DECIDED NOT TO GET VACCINATED, GOOD FOR YOU, BUT THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THIS QUESTION.
PLEASE READ THE ABOVE SENTENCE AGAIN.
So I was thinking since we are "elderly" it might be wise to get a forth shot, even if we had to lie about being immune compromised, or even saying that we never got a shot before but now think it is time.
But after letting things settle in my mind, I am thinking that it might be best to just wait until things are approved for 4th doses.
Reason is, we were some of the first to get the initial shots, so we were also first to get the booster shots. But now, we are also the first to lose protection after the booster.
So I am thinking it might be best to wait a while and get the forth shot then if it is approved, or to lie and get what we want anyway if approval is not given by the fall.
Not even sure if lying would work anyway, but I would try it I guess...
What do you guys think that are in the same boat.
Again, if you believe that vaccinations are worthless (edit: OR dangerous), PLEASE leave this thread alone. That is not the question, and the intent is not to debate that issue.
Johnson and Johnson vaccine is not mRNA. I was happy to get Pfizer, but to each their own.IF they can come up with one that is based on the same yearly flu shots, and not some new untested vaccine that the mRNA one is, then there will be a lot more positive reception to it. With the Omicron, they have time now to study it, break it down, and use it in a standard type shot.
I good percentage of the so-called anti vaxxxer crowd who are refusing the shots is doing so because mRNA is too new, and has had very little trial data, less than 10 years since conception, with onl a small handful of trials, mainly for HIV and AIDS testing that have been inconclusive. It isn't so much the immediate side effects, but the long term effects that are as of yet still unknown.
I do not want my kids getting these shots because there is very little data on how mRNA will affect their still developing bodies. They are both in their teens, prime time for growth of their adulthood parts. What if the mRNA triggers some abnormal growth, or lack of it? We don't know, and scientists don't know because there have been so few long term trials.
As for long term immunity, MMR, Polio and the like are a series of shots, but once given, they last a lifetime. Smallpox, pretty sure everyone over 55 has had one before they were phased out, but we are still better protected than those under 55 even though we have not received any boosters since the initial arm scar. A good well working vaccine should protect us for a very long time, and there are some good indicators that Omicron is the vaccine we need. Over time, we may catch a covid cold again, but nothing like what it originally was. Every mass killer virus eventually fades to what we see today, an occasional sickness, but one that the vast majority can get over. Spanish flu still exists and is one of the flu bugs that occasionally makes it's way into the annual shot.
Lets also not forget how many die each year due to flu, and not WITH flu but FROM flu. The one thing about Flu is not everyone tests for it when sick, mild cases never see a doctor for a test, they take some OTC meds, crawl into bed and get back to normal after a few days, with no record of having it in a database. When a person with (insert co-morbitity) passes while also having the flu, it is marked as (insert co-morbitity) not flu, so we really have no idea how many die with the flu from co-morbitity. In 2017, I would not be surprised if the actual numbers far exceeded the 2020 numbers for Covid. 2017 was a bad year for Flu.
Johnson and Johnson vaccine is not mRNA. I was happy to get Pfizer, but to each their own.
Afraid half of what you cite is incorrect. I understand people being frustrated that the knowledge of the new covid virus is incomplete, and the capabilities of the vaccines not yet fully understood, but it's no excuse for posting incorrect information.Among all the vaccines I have known in my life:
— flu and pneumonia.
I have never known of a vaccine that still required us to wear masks and maintain our social distance, even when fully vaccinated.
I had never heard of a vaccine that spreads the virus even after vaccination.
I had never heard of rewards, discounts, incentives to get vaccinated.
I never saw discrimination for those who didn't.
I have never known of a vaccine that threatens the relationship between family, colleagues and friends.
I have never seen a vaccine used to threaten livelihoods, work or school.
I have never seen a vaccine that would allow a 12-year-old to override parental consent. (even in Canadian schools)
After all the vaccines listed above, I have never seen a vaccine like this one, which discriminates, divides and judges society as it is.
And as the social fabric tightens… It's a powerful vaccine!
It does all these things, except IMMUNIZATION, if we still need:
— 3-monthly booster doses after we are fully vaccinated
— a negative test after we are fully vaccinated
— a mask after we are fully vaccinated
— to be hospitalized after we have been fully vaccinated
It's time for us to admit that we've been completely deceived.