Tractor shed lemons to lemonaid

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This last winter we had devastaing storms that took down many spruce trees on the shore it was sad to loose the large spruce trees. But with a lot of help from the kubota . We will build a tractor shed later this summer. The Quote from the local building supply for a 16x24x 10 building is 14.500 without the slab excavation or labor. my goal is to build it for less than 15000 all in. I have to get a letter of lumber grading from an engineer to use rough sawn lumber but my neighbor owns a mill and saws for .50 a bd ft for my logs vs 2.83 a bd ft for a 2x4x10 at the lumber yard. So for 340 dollars I received almost 700 bd ft of lumber So here is the start of it. From the storm to the lumber pile and a little of the excavation and stump removal for the garage
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Love that you’re utilizing the downed spruce. I hope that you’re using it for siding, because spruce isn’t a good structural lumber for framing. It’s excellent for siding because it doesn’t warp much.
 
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Love that you’re utilizing the downed spruce. I hope that you’re using it for siding, because spruce isn’t a good structural lumber for framing. It’s excellent for siding because it doesn’t warp much.
Thank you The quote I got from the building supply for dimentional lumber is spruce. When you buy lumber it is often designated SPF which is spruce pine fir. I would walk right past fir to buy spruce and right past spruce to buy pine. IMHO Pine is rare in these parts. Spruce is plentiful.
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If it weren't for spruce no houses would be built. Spruce makes up about 80% of current dimensional lumber products in Canada.
 
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So I got the quote for my tractor shed with a cement floor. It was more expensive than I expected so I contacted a local engineer I did most of the sketch up drawings and the engineer tweeked them and I am going to put in big foot footings and have my neighbor saw my lumber and have the engineer grade it. A 16x24 10' walls garage quote with a cement floor came in at $24000 CAD no labor. My goal is to build a 20x24 for less than $12000.00 all in with a metal roof.
 
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excellent use of your trees!!!

I have a log pile being turned into lumber. as long as i built myself and dont hire a contractor i dont need the lumber to be graded. Plan is to fix up my current garage, build my 8x8 deer stand walls and roof (already is on a raised platform). then if i have enough left over i want to build a leanto off the back of my garage to store my implements. all spruce and pine
 

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If it weren't for spruce no houses would be built. Spruce makes up about 80% of current dimensional lumber products in Canada.
I built my Canada ocean front Summer home frame of locally sourced (Nova Scotia) hemlock.
From 18'- 2 x 12 rafters and 14'-2 x 10 floor joists, all the way through 100's of 2 x 4's.
Hemlock is very heavy when wet, but very strong, either wet or dry.
Grade stamp was not required since no mortgage.
 

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great use of lumber. our requirement here is over 215.2 sq ft a building permit is required. If I could have figured out how to build a tractor shed that size and actually fit the tractor I would have done it. I thought about 12x16 but the tractor with loader and backhoe is 18' long. The building permit requirement made it necessary to hire an engineer, put in 10 big foot footings, have a letter grading the rough sawn lumber. I have ordered the trusses the soonest they will be done is October -$2000 the steel roof will be $2000 the engineer with the lumber grading will be about 700 -1000 I was fortunate because the engineer was nice enough to let me do my own drawings and that saved quite a bit of billable time. But i will not need to buy OSB or plywood for the ridiculous prices they cost now. 55 dollars for a sheet of OSB -- OSB!!! Now I can use 1x4 strapping for the roof and siding. Garage doors are insane 1800 for a 9x8 so I am going to put in a sliding barn door and build my own 12ft wide. 500.00 for a steel man door so I am shopping used steel man doors now. my goal is 11000 all in but I would be happy with 12000. I sent the building permit in yesterday and as soon as it is approved I will order lumber and start digging holes.
 
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If it weren't for spruce no houses would be built. Spruce makes up about 80% of current dimensional lumber products in Canada.
Interesting because it’s not graded as a structural lumber in the US. It’s used for siding, trim and paneling here.
 
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Interesting because it’s not graded as a structural lumber in the US. It’s used for siding, trim and paneling here.
Spruce is.... "not graded as structural lumber in the US".
Really?
SPF is THE MOST COMMON lumber used as structural lumber throughout the US.
SPF is the acronym for Spruce/Pine/Fir.
 
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Spruce is.... "not graded as structural lumber in the US".
Really?
SPF is THE MOST COMMON lumber used as structural lumber throughout the US.
SPF is the acronym for Spruce/Pine/Fir.
The grades are DF for maximum structure, WWM (white wood mix, non-structural), pine, and Spruce (non-structural) or spruce/hemlock (non-structural). As a forester I get the western wood products appraisal sheets quarterly. Laminated products are structural and can use any mix of species because lamination adds structural strength. Just because a wood isn’t labeled as structural doesn’t mean it cannot be used for wall studs, but it cannot be used for floor joists, beams, or trusses.
 

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Just because a wood isn’t labeled as structural doesn’t mean it cannot be used for wall studs, but it cannot be used for floor joists, beams, or trusses.
I would like to see a reputable reference backing up that statement.

Not that I really care, BUT I am almost 100 percent certain that the 2x12 floor joists that I used when I built my home with my own hands, are SPF. Now the main beams are Douglas fir, largest is 10x16x24 feet. BUT there was never a restriction as far as floor joists and SPF to my knowledge.

Maybe you live and work in California? IF SO, I guess I get it...LOL
 
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I would like to see a reputable reference backing up that statement.

Not that I really care, BUT I am almost 100 percent certain that the 2x12 floor joists that I used when I built my home with my own hands, are SPF. Now the main beams are Douglas fir, largest is 10x16x24 feet. BUT there was never a restriction as far as floor joists and SPF to my knowledge.

Maybe you live and work in California? IF SO, I guess I get it...LOL
I built a Summer home in Canada 2006-2010 with ungraded local Hemlock, and some ungraded SPF.
ALL framing, was either SPF or Hemlock.
Provincial building inspector never complained.
 

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I would like to see a reputable reference backing up that statement.

Not that I really care, BUT I am almost 100 percent certain that the 2x12 floor joists that I used when I built my home with my own hands, are SPF. Now the main beams are Douglas fir, largest is 10x16x24 feet. BUT there was never a restriction as far as floor joists and SPF to my knowledge.

Maybe you live and work in California? IF SO, I guess I get it...LOL
I do not live and work in CA. Most building codes call for Douglas fir, pine (in wider widths), or laminated products for structural uses. Those are the grade stamps the commercial sawmills ( with certified WWPA lumber graders) put on dimensional lumber. Keep in mind that WWPA stands for Western Wood Products Association, so maybe standards in the east are different. I do know that from the wood technology classes I took in forestry school that spruce is not a very good product for tensile or shearing strength compared to Douglas fir or pine. Spruce is superior for siding, paneling, and trim because it is warp resistant.
 
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I built a Summer home in Canada 2006-2010 with ungraded local Hemlock, and some ungraded SPF.
ALL framing, was either SPF or Hemlock.
Provincial building inspector never complained.
I did not attempt to speak to building inspection standards in Canada.
 

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quick update. We have decided to replace an ocean front shed befor new restrictions come into effect. So we have 3 projects on the go we are excavating and pouring a pad for the ocean shed and building a 9x19 foot shed to fall under the building code requirement. We are pouring a slab and moving an 8x8 shed over the top of it and we are building a tractor shed as described above. The building permit has been approved and the rough sawn lumber has been ordered. I have demolished the tractor shed removed the shingles and hauled them to the landfill and burned the remaining shed wood . Excavated for the ocean shed. the back hoe was amazing for this.
 

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Quick update.

Here is the prep work for the slabs and the start of the big foots going in I will cover the gravel on the slabs with foam and a vapor barrier. If you see something wrong please say something. this is my first concrete work
 

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Quick update. the concrete work is done 2 slabs and 11 bigfoot and piers all of the rough lumber for the two buildings and all of the concrete work with rebar grid foam plastic nails screws and labor I am at about 7000.00 and still have the roof trusses and steel roofing and doors and windows to purchase. still hoping to get the two buildings built and the shed moved onto concrete for 11K but it maybe more. Obviously my fork lift skills need some work the 2x4s started out in nice piles and ended up with pick up sticks
 

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I have a quick question on roof trusses I am building for the small shed so the span is 9 ft wall to wall and 10 ft overall. I am building the truss in the picture but realized that most of the pics show the top chord passing by the bottom chord and I started and would prefer to leave the bottom chord pass by the top chords. like in this picture. I will use strapping and hurricane braces. the building will have strong wind pressure and some snow. I am using clear plastic panels for a roof. 24 inch trusses with 24" strapping
 

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