Too much weight in ballast box

Toecat

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I had a local metal shop make a ballast box that fit my qh 05 quick hitch. The vendor suggested I fill it with cement. So that’s what I did, without thinking right to the top. The three pt will lift it but the problem I have now is the tractor won’t steer to plow snow. Any suggestions? I spent about an hr trying to chip out some cement, but barely made a dent. Wondering about laying a bag of sand on the front quick hitch. Thanks
 

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How MUCH weight you have back there?

how much concrete?
 

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drill a line of holes,chip in between, remove one 'block', then another and another...?
air chisel ?
the 'trick' is to get ONE piece out and use that empty spot as a 'relief' to get the next one
if the 1st one takes an hour, the rest will come out in 1/2 that time....

how big ,size wise, is the ballast box, how many bags of mix went in it ?
sounds like over 1000# ,box and concrete ?

The BH seems to be a good weight, 700# ? In hindsight ,that weight, whatever it is, should have been your 'goal' weight
I've always used 'boxes on skids' on carryalls as 'ballast boxes' as I can dial in the proper weight for the job at hand. It's hard and costly to carry 500 extra pounds on the machine all day long when not needed.
 
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drill a line of holes,chip in between, remove one 'block', then another and another...?
air chisel ?
the 'trick' is to get ONE piece out and use that empty spot as a 'relief' to get the next one
if the 1st one takes an hour, the rest will come out in 1/2 that time....

how big ,size wise, is the ballast box, how many bags of mix went in it ?
sounds like over 1000# ,box and concrete ?

The BH seems to be a good weight, 700# ? In hindsight ,that weight, whatever it is, should have been your 'goal' weight
I've always used 'boxes on skids' on carryalls as 'ballast boxes' as I can dial in the proper weight for the job at hand. It's hard and costly to carry 500 extra pounds on the machine all day long when not needed.
Your suggestion is what I tried minus the air chisel. Used a hammer drill to try to make lines. Then a sledge and cold chisel to break it. I believe I have 8 bags of 50 lb cement in there. In hindsight I would do like you said and dial it in for the job. I will only have the box on when plowing or using the fel.
 
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400 pounds isn’t a lot with the front end loader attached, but with it removed it must be.
500 pound Round bails on the back of my little loaderless Iseki would put the front wheels in the air, 200 pounds of suitcase weights on the front was enough to offset it.
 
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Just wondering did he size it for your BX?

It might work fine with a front end loader the weight that it is. Maybe you need another one for your snowblower.

Another option, sell it and try again.
 
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This is often the problem with Any sort of “prototype”…. over-kill. Rent or buy a jack-hammer.
 
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Ok, seems the WEIGHT of the BH is not in my copy of the owners manual,page 35, had to check the internet..
It's around 600#.
I don't have a problem pushing snow with the bucket, so your box of concrete has to weigh a lot more.
 
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Rent an electric demolition hammer from Home Depot.
2nd this suggestion.

I have a somewhat elderly Milwaukee 1” spline shank electric hammer drill that has an option to turn off rotation so it can be used as a small breaker hammer with a smooth shank chisel. Weighs about 20lb. It would make pretty quick work of busting out whatever concrete you want to remove. If you want to be relatively surgical about it, sawing before breaking would allow for more controlled removal. It isn’t exactly a cheap tool so unless you have repetitive need for a serious hammer drill/breaker hammer, I’d rent it.
 
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How cold is it where you are? If sub freezing, bore deep holes with a hammer drill and fill them with water. Let the ice bust it up.
Heck, if you were close enough, I'd consider buying it from you.
 
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The quick and dirty way ,is to cut one side of the box and then slide the concrete block out.
yes, sounds 'cruel' but depending on how the box was built ,could be a 10 minute job instead of hours,NOISY hours of chipping concrete.
The repair is easy, weld angle iron onto the corners,bzzzzzz zap, box is reborn.
 
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Based on my experience the problem may be the weight is not too much, but the problem is with the weight being far out from the tractor rear axle suspended by the 3 pt hitch, giving the weight too much leverage. If you can change the mounting design such that the weight is closer into the rear axle that can make a big difference.
 

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Based on my experience the problem may be the weight is not too much, but the problem is with the weight being far out from the tractor rear axle suspended by the 3 pt hitch, giving the weight too much leverage. If you can change the mounting design such that the weight is closer into the rear axle that can make a big difference.

Might be true but it would be a trial-and-error approach that might or might not work, and would take a lot longer than chipping out some concrete. WIth the chipping approach, you just keep chipping until it's right, and you have certainty that it will eventually get there.
 

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Drop the box when you are pushing snow with the blade.

Put it back on when you attach FEL.
 
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Drop the box when you are pushing snow with the blade.

Put it back on when you attach FEL.
THIS

Also, you don't say what your plowing setup is.

Is it a FEL with added blade?

Is it a Quick connect with blade?

Something else?

I have ~400lbs out back of my BX2380 and with the FEL on it's fine.

In the winter I snowblow with a BX2830 and use no rear weight, but do lose steering just pushing the blower.

Could be what you are seeing is normal. (is your blade in float mode?)

Too many suggestions without all the facts first, imo
 
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THIS

Also, you don't say what your plowing setup is.

Is it a FEL with added blade?

Is it a Quick connect with blade?

Something else?

I have ~400lbs out back of my BX2380 and with the FEL on it's fine.

In the winter I snowblow with a BX2830 and use no rear weight, but do lose steering just pushing the blower.

Could be what you are seeing is normal. (is your blade in float mode?)

Too many suggestions without all the facts first, imo
Thanks. It’s mounted to a quick hitch. I do put the blade in float mode.
 

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The bx23S BH weighs in at approx. 600#. I would suggest you probably have more than that in your rear ballast. Some just fill the ballast box with sand or stone/s so they can adjust the weight as needed. I know you are past that, so I guess you are chipping if you want to take some out.