Section 203(a)(3) of the CAA makes it unlawful for: “(A) any person to remove or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under [Title II ofthe CAA] prior to its sale and delivery to the ultimate purchaser, or for any person knowingly to remove or render inoperative any such device or element of design after such sale and distribution to the ultimate purchaser;
EPA may assess a civil penalty of up to $3,750 for each applicable CAA violation that occurred between December 6, 2013, and November 2, 2015, and up to $4,527 for each applicable CAA violation that occurred after November 2, 2015 and assessed on or after January 15, 2017 in accordance with Section 205(a) of the CAA, 42 U.S.C. § 7524(a), and 40 C.F.R. Part 19.or (B) for any person to manufacture or sell, or offer to sell, or install, any part or component intended for use with, or as part of, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine, where a principal effect of the region or segment is to bypass, defeat, or render inoperative any device or element of design installed on or in a motor vehicle engine in compliance with regulations under this subchapter, and where the person knows or should know that such part or component is being offered for sale or installed for such use or put to such use.” 15.
EGR?Has anyone done a erg delete on 3350 and what what were the results?
Don't think that you will find anyone who has done that or at least will publicly admit to having done so.
The class action issue comes up just about every time that the B3350 is discussed, and I have explained why this will not happen multiple times.it has been done
it is not legal
one I know of, was done out of the USA so they had to haul it a few thousand miles and have it done, paid the guy a grand or 3 (or whatever it was?), haul it back home then try to find someone to work on it once it had other problems because a USA kubota dealer cannot touch it per agreement. Or they're not supposed to anyway. I go by the rules, I dunno about yall.
Time its all said and done, potentially thousands of dollars later, I'd sure have considered trading to something different and more reliable. Might be cheaper.
yes the b3350 has had it's issues. My question is, has anyone tried a class action? Anyone attempted any legal actions? Seems to me that if the resale value/trade in value is down because of the many reported issues, there could be some legalities to deal with? I dunno?
Seems like the biggest issue with say, a Kubota tractor engine, is it requires messing with (i.e. “tuning”) the ECU so it doesn’t freak when the DPF is sitting in the scrap pile where they can’t communicate. Tuning software for the diesel pickups isn’t exactly difficult to source. Maybe software for tuning the ECU on a Kubota or other tractor engine isn’t difficult to source either but for dummies like me, I wouldn’t know where to start trying to source the software to make the DPFless ECU happy. If the 3350 is all mechanical such that it doesn’t have an ECU, would likely be a much less daunting project.It's done all the time by diesel pickup enthusiasts, so it's probably not difficult for someone who knows diesels, but messing with the EPA is not a smart move.
The B3350 has mechanical injection but it does have an ECM.Seems like the biggest issue with say, a Kubota tractor engine, is it requires messing with (i.e. “tuning”) the ECU so it doesn’t freak when the DPF is sitting in the scrap pile where they can’t communicate. Tuning software for the diesel pickups isn’t exactly difficult to source. Maybe software for tuning the ECU on a Kubota or other tractor engine isn’t difficult to source either but for dummies like me, I wouldn’t know where to start trying to source the software to make the DPFless ECU happy. If the 3350 is all mechanical such that it doesn’t have an ECU, would likely be a much less daunting project.
Agree; specifically with the supply and demand statement. B3350 has problems so there would be some demand from B3350 owners but that’s a small subset of tractor owners. Most models, the DPF regen is an occasional annoyance if timing of regen is inconvenient which is a lot less problematic than breaking Federal law and having a tractor that no dealer will touch, potentially decreasing value by narrowing resale market by reducing potential buyer pool to like minded individuals who don’t mind ignoring the law and never having the option to involve a dealer in maintenance or repair. Cost/benefit and risk/reward analysis just doesn’t make sense for the vast majority of Tier 4 owners so the demand for delete isn’t there and neither is supply.It would be supply and demand. If there were trouble with break-downs across the board, then the demand for after-market tuners may occur. But you don't hear of many tractors having operating issues with the exception of the B3350 with the DPF intact. I doubt it would cost "thousands" to create a tune to delete the DPF and make it run well (minus the pollution). Alarms are still going off since items are un-plugged, a software re-write simply cancels them out and maybe fine tunes air/fuel mixture. Not a lot going on a tractor. My point, is it legal? No. Is it possible to delete? Yes, anything is possible.
Until I have a reason to need anything more than 26hp, I'll stay with DPF'less tractor for simplicity and reliability.
Where does that law apply..??( Canada?) ...and..... WHERE and HOW does it define “motor vehicle”...?? I would not ordinarily consider a tractor or stationary engine a “motor vehicle”.The Law
EPA may assess a civil penalty of up to $3,750 for each applicable CAA violation that occurred between December 6, 2013, and November 2, 2015, and up to $4,527 for each applicable CAA violation that occurred after November 2, 2015 and assessed on or after January 15, 2017 in accordance with Section 205(a) of the CAA, 42 U.S.C. § 7524(a), and 40 C.F.R. Part 19.
What the EPA has started doing is going after the companies that have made/sold the kits and fining them, butting some of them out of business. In addition they are requiring them to turn over customer list. Currently, the EPA has only targeted the manufactures/sellers of such kits.
EPA launches crackdown on emissions defeat device makers | Hemmings
It is a US law (Clean Air Act) it would not apply in Canada. It doesn't mean that Canada hasn't adopted a similar law, but EPA has been charged with enforcing US environmental laws.Where does that law apply..??( Canada?) ...and..... WHERE and HOW does it define “motor vehicle”...?? I would not ordinarily consider a tractor or stationary engine a “motor vehicle”.