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Billstr

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Traded my bx25d in on a kx033-4g excavator, will miss the bx25d. Current trailer has two 3500lbs axles, weight 1980 can load 5020 lbs on. Need to trade trailer. Same trailer with two 5200lbs axles, trailer weight is 2080, they class it as 9900 gvwr, so I think the max load is around 7900lbs. The kx033-4g configuration less the operators weight comes in at 7800. If I get a trailer with two 7000lbs axles, it gives a much greater allowence which is smart. I have a f150, tow rating is 11500, I added the heavy payload package which gives me 2449lbs payload and a 17100 gcvwr. Truck weighs 5400. With 9880 on the hitch I’m at 15280 gcvwr, add me and 400 pounds and were at 15880 with 1220 to spare. The 14000gvwr trailer is 400 pounds heavier with a much stiffer suspension with 820 combined weight left instead of 1220. Which trailer?
 

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The weight limit on a trailer is like a working load limit for chains. The
trailer should be able to normally handle the weight limit and not fail
while having that weight on it. In the words of an old trucker with some
40 years hauling he told me you can easily go over the weight limit
on a trailer in good working condition just don't get caught if you are
doing it for a business (i.e. large fines). If it is for personal use then
I was told you most likely will not get fined.

You are so close on the weight I would use the trailer you have now
and see how it operates. If you have no problems then keep using the
trailer you have now. If you feel you need the bigger trailer then get
that one.

Just sayin you don't need to rush and buy a new trailer... My opinion...
 

PA452

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He'd be almost 3000# overweight with his current trailer. I'm not an expert but I wouldn't consider that close.
 

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I think your way off on you F150 towing capacity.
I look it up as 5k to 8k max
That would mean the weight of the EX alone, forgetting the trailer weight, is over!
No amount of add on equipment will legally up the towing limits of the truck.

You're F150 is not enough truck to safely/ legally tow a Mini Excavator! :eek:

Sorry not trying to bash you, I just know what happens when you overload a vehicle like that, not good. ;)
 
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In 40 plus years in the business of trailer repair I can tell you not to believe everything that an old trucker tells you. Semi trailer axles were rated to 18,000 lbs each in the 70s. On a tandem you are allowed 34,000 lbs. This was less prior to the 80,000 rating. No over load of axle there. The modern axles are rated for 25,000 lbs each and are still 34,000 tandem weight, spread axle set up with a 10' 1" is allowed 20,000 per axle, still under the rated capacity. The overload on a semi trailer is going to be less of a percentage than using your existing trailer to haul that excavator. I will also tell you that all trailers are not created equal. Get a trailer to handle the load before you destroy the one you have or hurt someone with it. I would go to the 7K axles if it was me. It won't take long to find other uses. An overload situation is dangerous and can be expensive.

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Billstr

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I’m correct about my truck towing capicity. It does state in the manual for trucks without towing packages depending on engine size with 5000 and 7000 thousand capicities. I have the max towing capicity and heavy payload package. In short as described towing 11500 payload 2449 combined as per manual 17100 truck weight 5400, the rest is math. I wouldn’t put the machine on the 3500 * 2 axle trailer. It would be legal on the 5200 *2 axle trailer with only a 100 pounds to spare. I agree with going 7000 * 2 axle trailer it’s just there won’t be much give for smaller items like my side by side, I think 7000 * 2 axles with the trailer only weighing in at 2500 pounds would bounce with light stuff. If only I could fine 5000 * 2 that had a load for 8500.
 

Billstr

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Two best configurations
1. 6.5 box, max duty tow package can tow 13200 with 3.5 eco, heavy payload package not available with this, so around 1500 payload. Consider tongue weight of 1100 pounds, doesn’t leave you with much besides yourself and a toolbox.

2. 6.5 box, max tow package (not max duty) can tow 11500, heavy payload package 2449, also 373 electronic locking rear end. 1100 tongue weight still have lots of room.

Second option better in my opinion.
 

conropl

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Don't put all that money into a trailer that would end up being that close to the limit (5k axels). With a 100 lbs to spare you are really limiting yourself. What if you wanted to bring another sized bucket with you, or some other small equipment or tools...then your over weight.

I had a car hauler with two 3500 lb axles, and loaded it up just under the load limit (trailer and equipment combined)... in reality, the trail did not handle it well. I won't do that again. Ended up getting a 20' with two 7k axles. So now I have some leeway to add weight if i need to.

Also, as far as 7k axles being to bouncy when not loaded; I can tow it empty, and not have that problem. And I live on a dirt road (washboard).

Personally, I would be leery about the F150. I would feel more comfortable with a F250. Assuming you did the math right and assuming you are not towing this very often... I guess it is your call. Wouldn't be my call though.

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They've come quite a long way with the towing packages on the new trucks. You need to keep in mind that the towing capacity is rated with the use of a weight distribution hitch.

With out the hitch, your towing capacity is half the rated amount.
 

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10,000lb trailers are readily available in the US. Are they not available in AUS?

3500lb axles can be upgraded to 5000lb axles also. Maybe ask your dealer about upgrading the axles (+ associated wheel/tires and springs) on a specific trailer you are looking at? Dexter 5000lb 6 lug axles aren't terribly expensive.
https://thetrailerpartsoutlet.com/5...Cw7vs1YkbLeEUSqcs536rI1J0aI8bMVAaAqXZEALw_wcB

https://www.amazon.com/Tandem-200-T...ocphy=9021665&hvtargid=pla-623295592707&psc=1

I'd be a little sketched out to haul that much in an F150, also. I'd want a 3/4 ton pickup personally.
 
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They've come quite a long way with the towing packages on the new trucks. You need to keep in mind that the towing capacity is rated with the use of a weight distribution hitch.

With out the hitch, your towing capacity is half the rated amount.
This. 2014 Chevy silverado manual states that 5k is the max tow amount for any configuration without a weight distribution hitch.
 

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This. 2014 Chevy silverado manual states that 5k is the max tow amount for any configuration without a weight distribution hitch.
Little less for my 09 Sierra. Thinking it was around 4500 lbs. But I'm thinking the max towing capacity is different between the 09 and 14 trucks as well. Mine comes in at a 7200lb total towing capacity with it being 4wd and use of a WDH. The 2wd had a max towing capacity of 7800lbs.
 

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My first reply was referring to using the trailer with two 5,200lb axles. I think that was not clear from my post and might have given the assumption that I was saying to use a trailer with an unsafe rating. My apologies. Sometimes I think faster than I type and the message is not clear... :cool:
 

Billstr

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Going to go with the two 7000 axles, 16 foot trailer. I’ll still have 800 lbs left on the trailer and around 1000 lbs for combined weight. The f150 heavy payload has heavier springs, shocks and frame. Heavier duty wheels and lt tires. I’m comfortable.
 
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I can tell you this, our skid steer weighs 7800lbs and i use a 20ft 14k gvw trailer and tow it on a regular bases. The trailer is a perfect match for that weight. With that said, i would NOT tow that with a f150. My 2016 f-250 does not like to pull that skid steer around unless i have the tongue weigh just right. A couple inches to far forward or too far back on the trailer the truck is all over the place at highway speeds.
 

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Maybe it’s the trailer at 22 feet. I’ve driven MCI J4500 coaches all over the place, I’ve also driven some other coaches that handled poorly. Play in the steering box, crappy tires, out of alignment. I can tell with out a doubt my f150 will be drivvvvin nice with me behind the wheel. The truck sits in yard ready to roll on down the highway, if I happen to pass ya, don’t be drooling at my X CA VADER.
 

groomerbuck

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Maybe it’s the trailer at 22 feet. I’ve driven MCI J4500 coaches all over the place, I’ve also driven some other coaches that handled poorly. Play in the steering box, crappy tires, out of alignment. I can tell with out a doubt my f150 will be drivvvvin nice with me behind the wheel. The truck sits in yard ready to roll on down the highway, if I happen to pass ya, don’t be drooling at my X CA VADER.


You do realize that by going with a 16’ trailer your gonna be extremely limited as to where the majority of your excavators weight will be sitting correct? Another thing is just because you’ve driven coaches means nothing, you clearly still don’t understand what your talking about. Towing 11k is not something to take lightly in any pickup truck, let alone a 1/2ton buggy.
Side note, i dont blame your ignorance on this topic at all, i blame the manufacturers of these trucks. I see these trucks driving down the highway all the time. These “specs” are going to get people killed. People are always towing objects way too heavy with these light duty trucks.
 

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In my view, an F150 is a poser truck. Weeinie motor, light frame and marginal brakes. I tow with an F350 with a diesel and 1 ton suspension and brakes. Wherever you live I don't want to be in front of you and have to stop quickly because you won't. That would make me and anyone you hit very unhappy.:eek:
 

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In my view, an F150 is a poser truck. Weeinie motor, light frame and marginal brakes. I tow with an F350 with a diesel and 1 ton suspension and brakes. Wherever you live I don't want to be in front of you and have to stop quickly because you won't. That would make me and anyone you hit very unhappy.:eek:
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That's quite a statement right there. So, I used to tow a little BX with a 3500HD (think F-450). So, just who is the "poser" with the weenie truck now? :p

Seriously, I don't need a 1 ton to tow 5K. "Weeinie", or not.
 

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Towing 11k is not something to take lightly in any pickup truck, let alone a 1/2ton buggy.
Side note, i don't blame your ignorance on this topic at all, i blame the manufacturers of these trucks. I see these trucks driving down the highway all the time. These ***8220;specs***8221; are going to get people killed. People are always towing objects way too heavy with these light duty trucks.
1000% agree

A 1/2 ton truck is still a 1/2 ton truck no matter what you bolt on to it. ;)

You can mount a 25 ton fifth wheel hitch in it, that doesn't mean the truck can handle it! :rolleyes:

Billstr,
I don't know how comparing a 54,000 lb charter bus to this makes any difference whats so ever in comparisons.

You say:
"if I happen to pass ya, don't be drooling at my X CA VADER."

I say:
It will pass me as you're not able to stop or your headed for a ditch! :eek:

Real world values and experience, beats down Book numbers every time!
 
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