Can I add top n tilt this way?

Fordtech86 · Jul 21, 2019

Considering adding top n tilt to my L3200 and wondering if this will work. Can I take a valve like this
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...ol-8-GPM-Prince-MB21BB5C1-DA-Valve-9-7862.axd

And run my power beyond hose for the back hoe into the valve with a quick connect then run another hose back to the return port for the back hoe?

Then put quick connects on the ports for the valves to connect the hoses for the tnt cylinders?

Or is it more complicated then that?

MtnViewRanch · Jul 21, 2019

You should use a power beyond type valve. So yes to how you want to run the hoses, just need to put in the power beyond plug and run a return to tank line. (3 lines total from the new valve)

I highly recommend that you get at least one of the valves, if not both (preferred) with the float feature. The float feature allows for several types of tasks to be done much easier than without.

North Idaho Wolfman · Jul 21, 2019

Yea what he said.

Fordtech86 · Jul 21, 2019

MtnViewRanch said:
You should use a power beyond type valve. So yes to how you want to run the hoses, just need to put in the power beyond plug and run a return to tank line. (3 lines total from the new valve)

I highly recommend that you get at least one of the valves, if not both (preferred) with the float feature. The float feature allows for several types of tasks to be done much easier than without.

The valve would only be connected when back hoe is removed from tractor, with the backhoe attached the cylinders need to be removed anyways so I thought just putting a quick connect on the inlet to the valve and a quick connect on the outlet with a jumper hose back to the back hoe return, so it would either be the valve in the circuit or the back hoe in the circuit but not both at the same time. If that makes sense? So would I still need the power beyond plug in the valve? Sorry I’m a little hydraulically challenged. Thanks

Fordtech86 · Jul 21, 2019

Using the hose with the red cap to feed the valve and a return hose from the valve to the return with the blue cap, that return hose would be removed for back hoe use?

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Michael In Tennessee · Jul 21, 2019

Fordtech86 said:
The valve would only be connected when back hoe is removed from tractor, with the backhoe attached the cylinders need to be removed anyways so I thought just putting a quick connect on the inlet to the valve and a quick connect on the outlet with a jumper hose back to the back hoe return, so it would either be the valve in the circuit or the back hoe in the circuit but not both at the same time. If that makes sense? So would I still need the power beyond plug in the valve? Sorry I’m a little hydraulically challenged. Thanks

Yes, do power beyond. Backhoe hoses become inlet and PB. Depending on where you mount your valve, you may be able to run the long hose directly to a QD on the valve. You will need a short hose to reach the other QD. You need a tank line as well. This will require you to tee into the tank line from the FEL. Not hard, but finding fittings that work and are compact enough to not be a hazard is a mild challenge. I replaced my FEL tank hose to get rid of the elbow and found a swivel tee that worked.

North Idaho Wolfman · Jul 21, 2019

Fordtech86 said:
The valve would only be connected when back hoe is removed from tractor, with the backhoe attached the cylinders need to be removed anyways so I thought just putting a quick connect on the inlet to the valve and a quick connect on the outlet with a jumper hose back to the back hoe return, so it would either be the valve in the circuit or the back hoe in the circuit but not both at the same time. If that makes sense? So would I still need the power beyond plug in the valve? Sorry I’m a little hydraulically challenged. Thanks

Yes you should add the third line to get it to work safely and properly.

The BH valve setup, has a build in bypass, that a spool valve does not have a bypass so you need to add a tank line to make it safe and stable.

Fordtech86 · Jul 21, 2019

Thank y’all for the replies! Instead of trying to tee into the tank line can I put an elbow where this plug is in the bottom of the block that appears to go into the tank line?

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North Idaho Wolfman · Jul 21, 2019

That's Not a plug, that's the relief valve, so no you can't connect there!

Fordtech86 · Jul 21, 2019

North Idaho Wolfman said:
That's Not a plug, that's the relief valve, so no you can't connect there!

And thank you again lol!

Michael In Tennessee · Jul 21, 2019

North Idaho Wolfman said:
That's Not a plug, that's the relief valve, so no you can't connect there!

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Good to know.

Fordtech86 · Jul 25, 2019

I’ve been trying to find a valve with float on one spool at least.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...trol-valve-rld-series-25-gpm-2-spool-3000-psi

Found this, but I don’t see where it has the option for power beyond. Instead of using my backhoe loop, can I just T into the feed for the load and the tank return at the block under the floor board? Thanks again!

North Idaho Wolfman · Jul 25, 2019

Fordtech86 said:
I’ve been trying to find a valve with float on one spool at least.

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/p...trol-valve-rld-series-25-gpm-2-spool-3000-psi

Found this, but I don’t see where it has the option for power beyond. Instead of using my backhoe loop, can I just T into the feed for the load and the tank return at the block under the floor board? Thanks again!

No you can not tee into any feed lines they must be a loop, except the tank line that line you can tee into.

Fordtech86 · Jul 25, 2019

North Idaho Wolfman said:
No you can not tee into any feed lines they must be a loop, except the tank line that line you can tee into.

So that valve won’t work? I need one with power beyond as well?

North Idaho Wolfman · Jul 25, 2019

The valve you picked is much too high of GPM, and not sure of PB capabilities, the drawbacks too high of GPM's on a valve valves are the lack of finer / smoother control and the requirement for huge lines.

This valve set up, no float (I personally rarely use float on these setups) :

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...ol-8-GPM-Prince-MB21BB5C1-DA-Valve-9-7862.axd

Or this valve setup with float on one valve:

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brand...rince-MB21GB5C1-DA-Valve-w-Float-9-7862-F.axd

Are much better options.

Fordtech86 · Jul 25, 2019

North Idaho Wolfman said:
The valve you picked is much too high of GPM, and not sure of PB capabilities, the drawbacks too high of GPM's on a valve valves are the lack of finer / smoother control and the requirement for huge lines.

This valve set up, no float (I personally rarely use float on these setups) :

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydra...ol-8-GPM-Prince-MB21BB5C1-DA-Valve-9-7862.axd

Or this valve setup with float on one valve:

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Brand...rince-MB21GB5C1-DA-Valve-w-Float-9-7862-F.axd

Are much better options.

Thank you Wolfman!

North Idaho Wolfman · Jul 25, 2019

Fordtech86 said:
Thank you Wolfman!

Hang in there, we'll get you on the right track!

Fordtech86 · Jul 25, 2019

North Idaho Wolfman said:
Hang in there, we'll get you on the right track!

I think I’m starting to get it

. Next its on to the hoses and fittings. I’ve been all over the surplus center website for a week and my head still spinning.

Michael In Tennessee · Jul 29, 2019

Just ask if you have questions. I did this on my MX4800 and your tractor is similar. Locating the valve was my biggest problem and I'm still not happy with my solution as the hoses take a real tight bend to work. I wish I had the ability to bend hard lines. That would be way better and why OEM solutions are easier to fit. (But more expensive, obviously)

Fordtech86 · Jul 29, 2019

Michael In Tennessee said:
Just ask if you have questions. I did this on my MX4800 and your tractor is similar. Locating the valve was my biggest problem and I'm still not happy with my solution as the hoses take a real tight bend to work. I wish I had the ability to bend hard lines. That would be way better and why OEM solutions are easier to fit. (But more expensive, obviously)

Did you t the return into the hydraulic block or did you find a plug in the case to return it too?

I haven’t had a chance to really look at mine, it needs all the mud and grass sprayed off of it to get a better look.

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