CRAZY TRAIN has gone OFF THE RAILS

Are not these the same guys that said we was gone to freeze

SidecarFlip said:

Just another pawn in a world chess game. Children her age should be seen and not heard.

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My oldest Daughter was telling me this afternoon that Greta is a professional actress/model getting paid to say what ever BS is on her script. I haven't looked her up yet.

CaveCreekRay said:

Pretty damning claim. Any evidence to support it? Zero Hedge is a widely quoted business and news site.

I did some searches and one source points at three people behind Zero Hedge. Zero Hedge denies one of the individuals is even associated with them. The Hungarian trader you cited is not mentioned in another article at all. Perhaps he was at one time, but no longer. Each article seems to be unsupported by more than "reporting" but not by any alternative sources.

I'd love to see whatever you have uncovered but again, much of their content comes from other sources. Their own content comes under the non de plume, Tyler Durden.

Here is an AOL link with the same Greta story... https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ogizes-for-against-the-wall-comment/23881242/

Here is an MSN.com article... https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...ans-should-be-put-against-the-wall/ar-AAK8AUM

Here is a Newsweek article... https://www.newsweek.com/greta-thunberg-against-wall-speeches-second-language-1477329

Here is a BBC source... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50799233

How do these materially differ from the Zero Hedge article?

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They don't. Greta undoubtedly said something that was not intended and misconstrued by a lot of folks. That was what I was trying to say, but you often cite zerohedge so I wanted to see what they were about. I found the insider trading infraction in Wikipedia and some place else that I dont remember. It sounds as though he has strayed from financial market opinions to right wing conspiracy theories over the years. He is funded by traffic to his site so spectacular leads, however misleading, will make him money. True almost everywhere on the net.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Here is another pretty negative review, so as I said before, read with caution.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

A old guy, long dead and gone, once told me, the earth is not round, the earth is not flat, the earth is CROOKED.

Be VERY careful basing anything on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an open source "online encyclopedia" that can be hacked or edited by anyone. They have been caught editing whole articles or deleting articles they wish to censor.

Here are a couple articles that point out the pitfalls...

https://www.dummies.com/education/internet-basics/is-wikipedia-reliable/

https://www.legalmorning.com/how-reliable-is-wikipedia/

CaveCreekRay said:

Be VERY careful basing anything on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an open source "online encyclopedia" that can be hacked or edited by anyone. They have been caught editing whole articles or deleting articles they wish to censor.

Here are a couple articles that point out the pitfalls...

https://www.dummies.com/education/internet-basics/is-wikipedia-reliable/

https://www.legalmorning.com/how-reliable-is-wikipedia/

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Agreed. Double check everything. As mentioned above the earth is crooked. Oddly enough zerohedge seems to think they have been unfairly treated. In general, some things are honest or ignorant mistakes and some have underlying motivations. A convenient place to start a search.

Some of the best data online comes from thoughtful comments. Here is one I got from that "sketchy-hedgy" site and while I am only about 1/3 of the way through, I thought it would add to the discussion for those so inclined...

The climate is incredibly complex which ensures it will always be changing and nothing man does impacts.

Co2 is 0.04% and ch4 is 0.000175% of the atmosphere and it is impossible for either to impact the climate due to their scarcity.

Please educate yourself.

This true and false article is a summary of climate science and the subsequent articles are more in-depth.

https://principia-scientific.org/the-true-and-false-of-climate-change/



The climate is driven by 6 main factors that are interconnected in complex ways by 24 systems of which we have little or no data on or understanding of making it impossible to model or predict. The inherent complexity ensures the climate will always change and nothing man does impacts that.

-The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science (p.8 simple systems diagram) or Human Caused Global Warming by Dr. Tim Ball youtube.com/watch?M1VJtER2IUE (Dr. Tim Ball provides comprehensive overview of the eugenic origins of co2 alarmism)



We have little or no data for the ice caps, tundra, forests, mountains, grasslands, deserts or oceans. The temperature data is artificially high because of the lack of rural ground weather stations. We need temperature, precipitation and water vapor data more than we need computer programs that to attempt model distorted data.

-The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science (p.135-7)



Co2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere and it is impossible for that small amount of gas to impact the climate. After 40 years of research the IPCC has not produced any experimental evidence that quantifies the co2 climate sensitivity (impact) because co2 does not impact the climate.

zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice (click on one among a series to view report)

https://notrickszone.com/50-papers-low-sensitivity/

https://www.heartland.org/news-opin...ature-impact-of-carbon-dioxide-study-confirms

https://principia-scientific.org/atmospheric-carbonic-acid/

http://co2coalition.org/2019/12/04/on-climate-sensitivity/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/12/12...rt-co2-has-a-minuscule-effect-on-the-climate/



There is no physical mechanism to accommodate the transfer of energy from the stratosphere to the troposphere which is key to the IPCC's AGW theory. The Greenhouse Effect does not exist.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682618305030 (Has global warming already arrived?)

https://principia-scientific.org/vacuum-chamber-temperature-test-debunks-climate-crisis-claims/

https://principia-scientific.org/an-experiment-to-invalidate-the-greenhouse-gas-effect/

https://principia-scientific.org/the-fundamental-mistakes-in-greenhouse-warming-theory/

https://principia-scientific.org/greenplate-effect-it-doesnt-happen/



Over 31,000 scientists claim co2 does not impact the climate. There are less than 2000 scientists working for the IPCC/CRU and they are muzzled by a scope/terms of reference agreement. petitionproject.org

https://principia-scientific.org/debunking-the-97-climate-consensus-myth/



The average global temperature is the same as 22 years ago and is not warming.

http://heartland.org/center-climate-environment/ (scroll down main screen to graph)

https://notrickszone.com/2019/11/13...r-historic-snowstorms-record-books-rewritten/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/12/15...how-northern-coastal-europe-november-cooling/



The severity of storms and the number of severe storms is not increasing.

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/the-shameful-politicization-of-hurricanes

https://principia-scientific.org/fatally-flawed-hurricane-paper-should-be-retracted/gc

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...tudy-systematically-debunked-by-roger-pielke/

http://co2coalition.org/2019/12/10/...nes-over-the-period-1900-2017-article-review/



The oceans are not a threat to our coastal cities.

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/data-indicate-theres-no-need-to-panic-about-rising-seas

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/climate-central-150-million-people-to-drown/

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/climate-central-drowning-in-fraud/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/11/29...egion-sea-levels-have-fallen-since-the-1600s/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/12/05...or-higher-than-now-during-the-little-ice-age/



Over the last 400,00 years the global temperature has been considerably colder and warmer than today with a temperature range of 12 degrees Celsius with no anthropogenic co2. Today's temperature variation are within historical norms.There is no proof co2 rises first.

-Vostok Petit data.svg

https://principia-scientific.org/vostock-younger-dryas-epica-climate-nonsense/



Climate Change Reconsidered II: Fossil Fuels is 700 page report that refutes the IPCC's AGW theory.

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/climate-change-reconsidered-ii-fossil-fuels



Co2 is a not pollutant, is crucial to our existence and a higher level of atmospheric co2 would benefit humanity due to an increase in agricultural production.

https://www.heartland.org/multimedia/videos/ (co2 is not a pollutant)

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/climate-change-reconsidered-ii-biological-impacts/

http://co2coalition.org/2019/11/08/improved-potato-plant-growth-and-yield-under-elevated-co2/

http://co2coalition.org/publications/what-rising-co2-means-for-global-food-security/

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/the-nobel-prize-in-economic-ignorance/

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/seeing-co2/ (train cabin co2 level 2500ppm)

http://co2coalition.org/2019/11/20/...io-higher-co2-still-increases-yield-with-2-8/

https://principia-scientific.org/climate-change-will-cost-us-much-less-than-we-think/

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/he-needs-a-gas-mask/

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/12/mass-climate-hypnosis/

https://principia-scientific.org/climate-doomsters-moan-as-global-crop-yields-soar/



The average level (1200ppm) for the past 300 million years, determined by sediment and ice cores, is 3 times higher than present. Plants have evolved to optimally grow at between 1000-1200ppm.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm

http://jeremyshiers.com/blog/global-temperature-and-co2-levels-for-last-600-million-year

https://www.dw.com/en/carbon-dioxide-a-valuable-resource/av-51129144



Climate science is in it's infancy and there are 6 factors and 23 processes besides atmospheric composition that need to be explored in an appropriate scientific manner to even begin to understand the climate or quantify the impact of each system.

-The Chilling Stars: A Cosmic View of Climate Change by Svensmark and Calder (galactic ray particle theory of cloud formation)

Youtube: Svensmark The Cloud Mystery

-The Milankovich Effect

https://principia-scientific.org/planetary-orbital-changes-better-explain-climate-than-co2/

https://www.heartland.org/news-opin...s-alternative-view-that-is-not-easy-to-reject



Wind and solar energy are so inefficient that they will never replace fossil fuels or nuclear.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible

https://economics21.org/inconvenient-realities-new-energy-economy



The pursuit of a Green economy has not been beneficial to the economy or the environment.

http://www.heartland.org/news-opini...ucing-co2-emissions-only-raises-energy-prices

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/climate-policy-results-more-important-than-rhetoric

http://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/mathematical-modeling-illusions

http://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/electric-buses-dont-save-money-or-the-environment

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stu...id-cost-benefit-comparisons-in-climate-policy

https://principia-scientific.org/game-over-german-wind-industry-in-freefall/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/11/23...catastrophewarn-social-and-economic-disaster/



The IPCC/CRU are ignoring water vapor and natural co2. They are not credible sources of data, predictions or theories.

web.archive.org/web/20190804055711/http://drtimball.ca (Co2 data manipulation)

climatechangereconsidered.org/about-the-ipcc

https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-282-the-ipcc-exposed/

Cloak of Green by Elaine Dewar The Delinquent Teenager by Donna Laframboise

https://principia-scientific.org/new-climate-models-even-more-wrong/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/12/06...hy-of-any-consensus-models-clearly-erroneous/



Here is some basic science the IPCC ignores.

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/10/new-video-basic-science-for-climate-scientists/



Michael Mann's hockey stick graph (proof of global warming) was invalidated when he refused to provide the data and computer codes required by the courts in his lawsuit against Dr. Tim Ball.

https://principia-scientific.org/damning-ruling-posted-in-the-mann-v-ball-trial-of-the-century/

https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-michael-mann-doubles-down-over-contempt-issue/

https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-news-dr-tim-ball-defeats-michael-manns-climate-lawsuit/

https://principia-scientific.org/why-did-michael-mann-lose-his-global-warming-lawsuit/

https://principia-scientific.org/ten-years-after-climategate-time-to-prosecute-michael-mann/

https://principia-scientific.org/climategate-untangling-myth-and-reality-ten-years-later/



True or false quiz and unanswered questions to the IPCC:

https://principia-scientific.org/the-true-and-false-of-climate-change/

http://co2coalition.org/2019/11/04/carbon-dioxide-and-global-warming/

https://principia-scientific.org/what-they-havent-told-you-about-climate-change/



A few questions for the IPCC and the climate alarmists:

Where is the experimental evidence that quantifies the co2 atmospheric sensitivity (impact)?

Where is the data and codes for the hockey stick graph?

Where is the proof that the co2 level rises first followed by the temperature not the other way around?

Why are the rings of a single spruce proof of global impact and ice cores are considered proof of local impact?

Why have you created a black box around the AGW?

Why do you not name the people who peer review your papers?

Why are you neglecting the impact of natural co2 and the other 24 systems that impact our climate?

Why are you manipulating the temperature data?



The ice caps are not melting.

https://principia-scientific.org/the-greenland-ice-sheet-the-facts-v-the-myths/

https://principia-scientific.org/greenland-cooling-since-2001/

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/12/tough-times-for-climate-alarmists/



The corral reefs are not dying.

https://principia-scientific.org/corals-that-dont-exist-are-thriving-in-the-real-world/



Our weather is within historical norms.

https://principia-scientific.org/venice-flood-due-to-climate-change-only-it-wasnt/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/11/12...more-often-during-prosperous-medieval-period/

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/hottest-in-three-million-years/





https://realclimatescience.com/2019/12/australian-drought/

https://notrickszone.com/2019/11/13...r-historic-snowstorms-record-books-rewritten/

https://principia-scientific.org/venice-flood-due-to-climate-change-only-it-wasnt/

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...tudy-systematically-debunked-by-roger-pielke/





The science and economics associated with William Nordhaus' 2018 Noble Peace Prize are in question.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/climate-change-30728029

https://realclimatescience.com/2019/11/new-video-nobel-prize-in-economic-ignorance/



Here is a list of a few climate science websites you should consider reading:

https://principia-scientific.org/

https://www.heartland.org/Center-Climate-Environment/

http://climatechangereconsidered.org/

https://realclimatescience.com/

http://co2coalition.org/

https://friendsofscience.org/

https://notrickszone.com/

I thought some people were seriously interested in exchanging information not tractor related. Those links, for those who take the time to visit and read them, are very informative. VERY. My bad.

Back to the pictures of your dog thread or what music you like.

Well I can't speak the resources issue but I find the variety of topics on this site informative, entertaining (jokes thread) and a part of getting to know the other participants. I hope it continues.