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Old 08-09-2019   #11
KennysNewFarm
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

I do not have a back hoe for my MX5800 but I like the HP it offers, the size is just right and it turns on a dime. I wish I would have added remotes and loaded rear tires in the deal. Keep those in mind. Without loaded tires you will be in 4 wheel drive all the time. As far as a back hoe I would spend the 10k on a mini ex. Tractors are not bull dozers.
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Old 08-13-2019   #12
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

I went with the MX5800 for the lighter weight. My tractor spends a lot of time in the yard and pasture (read untilled dirt) and I didn't want the soil compaction of a heavier tractor. I haven't even had it a week yet, but so far I love it. Filled tires, but I need to figure out more ballast for loader work. I did some mowing in ditches the first weekend I had it, and I think I felt much more stable on the inclines than I would've in a bigger tractor.
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Old 08-14-2019   #13
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

We have a M7060 (father on 100 acre farm). It is a big machine, and marketed as an entry Ag utility tractor. I would never put a BH on one of these machines. They are already pretty far off the ground and you would loose digging depth. They are designed for field work, but if you have a bunch of room to maneuver you might find a good use...I would just say no to a BH on them.

I think the right mix is the MX with a BH, but I do agree with Cathy...BHs on tractors are not designed for lots of stump digging. If I had say 30 stumps to pull I would rent a 20ton excavator and do it in a couple of hours. Now if I had one every few months...that is different. You can take your time and really dig out the dirt around the roots so you dont damage your backhoe.

MX is a great machine. If you dont need a cab it is a great size.
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Old 08-14-2019   #14
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

You hit the nail on the head brother - Good advice.


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We have a M7060 (father on 100 acre farm). It is a big machine, and marketed as an entry Ag utility tractor. I would never put a BH on one of these machines. They are already pretty far off the ground and you would loose digging depth. They are designed for field work, but if you have a bunch of room to maneuver you might find a good use...I would just say no to a BH on them.

I think the right mix is the MX with a BH, but I do agree with Cathy...BHs on tractors are not designed for lots of stump digging. If I had say 30 stumps to pull I would rent a 20ton excavator and do it in a couple of hours. Now if I had one every few months...that is different. You can take your time and really dig out the dirt around the roots so you dont damage your backhoe.

MX is a great machine. If you dont need a cab it is a great size.
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Old 08-16-2019   #15
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

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I went with the MX5800 for the lighter weight. My tractor spends a lot of time in the yard and pasture (read untilled dirt) and I didn't want the soil compaction of a heavier tractor. I haven't even had it a week yet, but so far I love it. Filled tires, but I need to figure out more ballast for loader work. I did some mowing in ditches the first weekend I had it, and I think I felt much more stable on the inclines than I would've in a bigger tractor.
Oh yeah, and HST. I do a lot of mowing in tight spaces and loader work, so I really wanted HST.
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Old 08-17-2019   #16
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

The only case Iíve seen for the L4701 is itís size. Big engine in a small machine.

If thatís not a big deal for you, id have to agree that heavier is better for your uses and the MX is the better buy.
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Old 08-20-2019   #17
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

Ok, so slowly making progress in my thinking, but it is one step forward and two steps back

I am pretty much settled on an MX5800.

But then a local guy shows up with a lightly used M62 that he wants to get rid of. And I am thinking to myself that for many of my road maintenance and constructions type tasks, not to mention pulling stumps, that would be a great machine.

Any thoughts on the pluses and minuses of the bigger TLB?
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Old 08-20-2019   #18
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

I have a MX5800 with the BH92 backhoe attachment I also have a M59 TLB which is the pre emissions version as the M62 TLB there is no comparison between the MX5800 and the M59 for backhoe and loader work the TLB is a much stronger machine and heavier built.

I can tell you this any tractor with a backhoe attachment on it will not preform anywhere near as good as a equally sized TLB machine which was factory built to be a backhoe/loader from the ground up.

That said I love the versatility of my MX5800 it's one of the best brush cutting mowers I've ever operated. I've mowed a lot of acres over the years with different machines the only other machine I really liked was an old IH 544 Hydro - Yeah I miss that old girl


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Ok, so slowly making progress in my thinking, but it is one step forward and two steps back

I am pretty much settled on an MX5800.

But then a local guy shows up with a lightly used M62 that he wants to get rid of. And I am thinking to myself that for many of my road maintenance and constructions type tasks, not to mention pulling stumps, that would be a great machine.

Any thoughts on the pluses and minuses of the bigger TLB?
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Old 08-21-2019   #19
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Default Re: So confused ;) L4701 vs. MX5800 vs. M5660

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Ok, so slowly making progress in my thinking, but it is one step forward and two steps back

I am pretty much settled on an MX5800.

But then a local guy shows up with a lightly used M62 that he wants to get rid of. And I am thinking to myself that for many of my road maintenance and constructions type tasks, not to mention pulling stumps, that would be a great machine.

Any thoughts on the pluses and minuses of the bigger TLB?
I think HST is going to be your big question to answer. I occasionally see a size-up from the MX5800 and think maybe I should've gone for that, but then I remember the HST. When I bought my MX5800 I was going from a smaller shuttle shift machine. Let's look at your task list:

tree stumps - Only minor benefit from HST, bigger benefit from higher HP and better BH capabilities
ponds - Not sure what you're doing to the ponds, but mowing around them will benefit greatly from HST as you can more easily maneuver and hang your deck out over undriveable areas.
light grading - Depends, bigger tractor probably won't help, HST might help if you want to do some "back and forth" movements instead of always moving forward. I use a box blade and certainly have *some* back and forth movements.
trenching and drains - Sounds like backhoe work that would likely be very possible with either machine.
brush hog - You don't need the extra HP. Gear drive is great for wide open expanses, but even then it isn't as easy to slow down to make turns at the end or backup and catch missed passes. If you have any trees or especially highly-treed areas, the HST is a life saver and makes this job much more enjoyable, faster, and easier.
carrying and spreading gravel/rock, etc - loader work is much easier with HST, but of course the bigger tractor can handle bigger loads
Will be building a home and outbuildings and at least one pond for sure. - The HST, I think, makes it easier to swap front and rear implements, which sounds like something you'll be doing a fair amount of. Also, if you're getting pallet forks, you'll be able to get under loads and place loads more easily with HST.

There is certainly a trade off here you have to decide. Besides the extra weight and HP, the M probably has some standard features the MX doesn't (bucket level indicator?, rear remotes?, 3pt draft control?) There is also slightly more maintenance on the HST machine than a gear drive machine. After having a shuttle shift machine, I knew I wanted to get an HST machine as my next machine. My hope was that having an HST machine would help me get over my window shopping skid steers... and it mostly has.
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Old 08-21-2019   #20
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I think HST is going to be your big question to answer.
This aligns perfectly with my own thinking.

The smaller HST MX machine will be easier to drive (remember, I am a newbie), easier to maneuver, easier to deal with on hills (and I have plenty of those, once I am experienced enough to try them).

The larger M machine will be heavier, more stable, and more capable both in terms of the FEL and the BH. And also quite a bit more expensive...

And funny enough, the MX actually has more PTO HP than the M62 - although both are in the 60HP range which is probably enough for all of my PTO needs.

Anyone else want to weigh in, perhaps with real life experiences using the M59 or M62 for 3 point work after removing the hoe?
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