removing foreign matter from transmission

zaccodie

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While changing transmission oil in my L3400, I accidentally broke a 3" by 5/8" piece of the funnel off and it fell into the transmission. Whats the easiest way to open the transmission to remove the peice?
Can the power takeoff shaft be removed easily to gain access to the transmission case?
 
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North Idaho Wolfman

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Which fill port? In front of the seat on top or behind the seat, rear of the tractor?

If it's the port in front of the seat, you'll have to pull the top of the transmission off.
If it's the rear you'll have to pull the top of the three point off.
 

zaccodie

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does the power takeoff shaft slide out easily as on a ford. if it does, i think i can access the case good enough to retrieve the piece. its the fill port behind the seat.
 

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Been there done that but not on your model machine.

DO NOT run it or pull it until you retrieve the broken part. It will be worse if you chip it up or worse get it jammed into gears.

You can try using an electronic LCD video-cam-on-a-cable (I don't remember the name of the device but now available through HF, Ridgid, Milwaukee, Northern) and "see" if you get lucky and can fish out the part.

Based on our experience with the same event you'll wind up pulling the top of the transmission housing.

We had to remove all rear sheet metal and lay the fenders over against the rear tires. About forty bolts in all.

Going slow about 8 manhours to disassemble down to xmsn cover and about three hours to get cover off, constantly referring to book, taking pictures.

I remember we found two overly large bolts (part of ROPS maybe, not sure now) recessed down into holes. We had to scrounge up a socket that fit into the hole and it took a cheater and Kroil to get those suckers out. Something like 27 or 29-mm and had rubber suspension pads and oversize 'fender' washers we had to fish out from between two parts of the framework. Just be prepared for the odd stuff.

Speaking of Kroil, we shot everything--every fastener--twice and let it soak before we ever started. Made a world of difference.

Stand where seat was and facing rear using 3-pont arms to bump 'up' the cover and get it loose. CAUTION heavy. You'll need assistance, maybe an overhead lift to get it off and clear.

Fish out broken part. Ours came out jammed into the internal ram for the 3-point, looked like an integral part of the machine.

Reassemble with new RTV (we used namebrand 'grey' for its gasketing characteristics) on gasket mating surface after cleaning scruptuously. Prevent debris from scraping getting into the xmsn.

Get a parts book: some of the bolts are actually studs used for line-up. It'll take two or maybe three people and / or chain hoist to get everthing ready to reassemble, apply RTV, and drop entire cover over studs while maintaining lineup and integrity of sealant.

Go back with new O-rings and / or gaskets on all piping connections.

Reassemble sheet metal.

Had to use soft-face mallet to gently nudge some of the sheet metal back into position for bolt holes to line up exactly. Lube all bolts so next time is easier. Get all started before tightning any.

If any doubts at all good practice to change hydraulic fluid after all this.

Also be a good opportunity to swab out anything ("mud") that's settled into sumps--go slow and don't stir oil so you can see. Use lint-free rags or tiny air-suction hose.

Mechanically, a pretty straight forward process, just time consuming. When removing controls from fenders (if yours has them) don't kink any control lines. Slow and easy. Plastic knobs on levers may have to be replaced if they strip out.

Take pics of springs and levers of differential lock, 4-wd engagement lever, GST control, 3-point quadrant, whatever you take apart before you do and as you go along.

I hope you don't have to take it apart but would be curious how you proceed and your process and success.

In our case, we will never again use a two-piece funnel or hose-on-a-funnel or plastic funnel.

Please post back your experiences and how much time it takes.
 

zaccodie

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I agree. Thanks for the detail procedure. My dealer said the sure way to get was to remove the transmission cover and he would do it and take it out for $480. What do you think?
 

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Talk to a rental place to see if they have that camera to rent, you might be able to get lucky and just pull it out the same hole.

I think you can save yourself some $$ and pull the top of the three point off to get it.
Pulling the transmission cover in this case will not give you access to when it's at as it's in the rear end.
I don't think you can pull the PTO shaft out and get enough working room to get to it, but stranger things have happened, and it is only 4 bolts, drain all the fluid out before doing it.
 

Stubbyie

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The original poster asks about the cost his dealer quoted to remove the transmission cover to get the lost part out of the works.

First, I'd try tracking down (see prior post about rental center) an inspection camera with a head small enough to fit into the oil fill hole into which the funnel end dropped. If nothing else, find a plumber and pay him an hour; you might 'sell' it to get a deal as being something he can advertise as another service to offer. Or you may find he's not interested. Never know till you ask. Another source might be real estate and ductwork inspectors and even the odd electrician. I noticed even auto techs are using inspection cameras now.

Just got an ad in the mail from HF for a 3-in square LCD screen inspection camera on sale. If you're a tool collector you could do worse and might get your part out. Caution: I tend to be wary of HF electronics, defaulting to name brands. Others may have other insights.

We didn't even bother getting a repair price quote as it would have meant a long haul to a dealer---and we would have had to winch it onto a trailer. I really didn't want to move that machine and have internals rotate. And we've got a decent work space and tools and equipment.

For the time we spent, your quote of $480 sounds like a bargain. But I bet when it's all over you'll find that price increases due to odds and ends. Just my optimistic nature. And winching / hauling could be problematic and may make something worse. Remember, don't crank it (pressurized oil movement).

One consideration: we learned a heck of a lot about that particular machine and how it's all put together and interacts (such as linkages). Could turn into a great hands-on experience in your case. That said, I'm kind of a 'planned' maintenance person; having to shift in a half hour from adding a little oil to a 3-day unplanned tractor intervention episode just bugs me.

Please post back how you proceed and your experiences so we may all learn.

One last thing: when you've got the entire cover off, cover it all with a clean disposable(?) bed sheet topped by cardboard or clean plywood. I found a barncat perched on the lip of the transmission housing dipping a paw into the oil and staring at his reflection. Note to interested reader: don't scare cat. Not certain filters are good for cat hair. Did seem to cure hairballs.
 

zaccodie

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Thanks for all the good suggestions. Finally got my mechanic here and the funnel end was removed without issue. Overall it took the two of us about 3 hours to tear everything down, open the transmission, remove the part, and reassemble. I learned a lot. Again, thanks for all the help!!