Hydraulics to the front ?

[RCtoywizard]

:)Hello all
First I want to say what a wonderfull site this is. I love your Youtube vids Mr K.
You guys are right that dealers seem to have a cold shoulder to some.
I find most think if you can afford a machine, you can afford everything else.
Some of us only do what we have to and thats how we can afford what we have.
There, rant over. lol
I have a question. I have a Kubota M5040 with the loader attachment.
Now I also have the fork quick hitch attachment and I adapted it to fit an old snow plow.
I cant spend the $1k the dealer wants for the third function hydraulic installed.
I tried to talk them into giving me the part numbers list so I can just order as I can afford it but they wont.
ANyway, I have the two connections on the back above my 3 point and I want to know why cant I run lines to the front end and use those two push / pull lines to move my plow blade angle?
I think I have a control in the cab for it according to the manual.

Your thoughts?
Right now I am trying to rig the angle movement up with an old small 2,000 lb winch but its going to be a pain to do.
Sorry to go on and on......lol
:)
Eventually I will put on the 3rd function but thats in a couple of years.

[Service Dept Vic]

The M5040 was equipped from the factory with one Aux Rear Remote.

2nd Aux remote was an option, 3rd was also an option and if equipped as such there would be a control in the cab.

You could use the Aux to power a hydraulic cylinder, however....Kubota warns against the use of a front blade attached to the loader arms on many of their tractors, your LA1153 loader included!

Kubota published a Technical Service Bulletin #SB87-37 advising dealers NOT to warranty boom failure on loaders where a front blade has been used.

The boom arms can often sit lower than the moldboard of the blade and therefore are subject to contact with solid objects, like uneven pavement, concrete or other hard edges.

Plus, when the blade is angled to one side to doze snow, the loader boom arms cannot withstand the strain, causing one arm to collapse, crack or both boom arms to twist.

It's not that you can't have a blade up there, it just can't be fixed to the loader. You need a sub-frame built that will distribute the push force along the sides of the tractors engine and transmission working in conjunction with a set of axle bars that terminate firmly infront of the rear axle.

Better safe than sorry, I always say. Over here in our shop being "safe" will save you around $1500 bucks!

[RCtoywizard]

Thats interesting because the local Kubota dealer has a plow setup all ready to go on the quick attach front end. hmmm

Maybe I can come up with a way to rig it up on the back using the 3 point hitch. I really dont want to have to buy much right now.

Thanks for the info!!!

[RCtoywizard]

I have another question ........the manual says (on the list of attachments page), that you can put on a "front blade" and it has an astrick * that leads you to notes at the bottom of the page and the notes say "needs special bracing or framework" something to that effect. That backs up your thoughts on the warrentee info from Kubota.
But.
Farther down that page it says "snow blade" and there is no astrick * to reference the notes.
I took that as for "dirt blade" one would need special framework but for "snowblade" its just pushing snow and no special framework would be needed.

Am I not understanding it correctly?
Wouldnt be the first time...lol

[Service Dept Vic]

The front snow blade must be mounted to the frame of the tractor and braced to the rear axles, the blade that requires no frame or bracing would be one that is mounted to the 3 Point Hitch.

The Dealer you mentioned may have a blade manufactured by an aftermarket vendor, or company other than Kubota.

I've checked the entire Kubota Wholegoods pricing section for the 2008 M-40 Series Kubota, and I do not find a front blade part number or option availability.

Try this link for some pics of an aftermarket manufacturer of loader mounted blades.

http://www.beavervalleysupply.com/sectione/kascoblade.htm

[RCtoywizard]

Check out this vid on youtube. Its what gave me the idea and my local dealer has this same looking unit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvl-YsqchSo&feature=channel

I dont want to hurt the loader arms though cause I paid way too much for this beast to mess it up with something I shouldnt be doing.

I thought it was a normal "another great advantage" for it.

[Service Dept Vic]

I love that snowblade set up!! But as you can see in that video that is not a Kubota blade or frame set up on there!

From looking at the video a couple of times that set up looks like it would be OK on your tractor. Here's what I saw:

1. The blade is "spring mounted" like the blade on a snow-plow truck or an old Myers Snow Plow off a 4-Wheel Drive Pick-up!

If the blade contacts an immoveable object it will immediatley "flip down" releiving the stress on the loader arms.

2. Plow blade has skid shoes so the blade will not dig into the snow, skimming the road.

3. The quick attach frame puts the blade at an appropriate distance away from the ends of the loader arms, hence little shock directly to the arms.

4. Looks like the operator had his loader in "float" position from the speed he was clipping along at. This is a very safe way to plow as there is no pressure on either side of the loader arms.

I repent! I want one now!!! And I want a Kubota with a cab, and a wiper and a heater and a radio. :)

[RCtoywizard]

oohhhhhhhhh,,, now I get it.

Yes, My "Snow Plow" setup is an old Fisher snow plow. WIth the trip blade and brand new shoes. Nothing like a dirt blade.
I wouldnt do that. If I wanted a bull dozer, lol.

Now I get it. lol

So my setup would be reasonable........good.
So, what are your thoughts on running lines from the back to the front to be able to angle this sucker? Too much pressure or ?

thank you for your help, btw

[Service Dept Vic]

Ya, running from the rear to the front to operate side to side angle would be fine. Send us a few pics of your Kubota when you get approval from your wife to upgrade into that snowblade!!! :D

[RCtoywizard]

Will do! thank you very much for the help. :)