Im looking for nwe tractor gun

[skeets]

Im looking for a SAGIA 12 to toat around in the tractor and inthe truck,, you know incase I get attacked by a rabbid rabbit er sumthin,,, anybody know a good dealer with good prices???

[traildust]

Im looking for a SAGIA 12 to toat around in the tractor and inthe truck,, you know incase I get attacked by a rabbid rabbit er sumthin,,, anybody know a good dealer with good prices???

Forget about the rabbid rabbits, worry about the low hanging branches. They break arms :D

[skeets]

YES THEY DO,,,,LMFAO,,,,,Now I have to clean coffee off the screen!!!

[traildust]

YES THEY DO,,,,LMFAO,,,,,Now I have to clean coffee off the screen!!!


When you do get that pea shooter, I want a picture of you saddled up on the Kubota making a run at a rabbit while you're popping off rounds. That would be a clasic :cool:

[ipz2222]

I have a nine shot 22 revolver that I carry in th efall when I bushhog the fields. Rats and mice that go hoppin makes me start poppin. Wife calls me John Wayne.

[ipz2222]

Forgot to mention, the gun has birdshot in it.

[adjusterr]

Personally, I think the best handgun for all around home defense, outside self defense etc, is the Taurus "Judge". This pistol shoots .45 Long Colt or 410 shotgun shells, both from the same cylinder. Mine is stainless with a 6" barrel. Snakes have no chance with the shot shells, varmits and Bad Guys are easily handled by the .45 Long Colt and now Winchester is making a shot shell especially for the Judge, it contains a combination of about 9 BB.s and several discs made, I think, of copper. Check it out.

[Butch]

I want to mount a rifle holster on the B2410:D. Local police chief frowned on the idea... but I did tell him I'd pack the loaded clip in my pocket:(:(:(. Just take a gander at my "mug"... do I look like I am off center? Butch

[Bulldog]

I bought a Sig mosquito 22LR just for tractor duty. I really hated to beat my 40 or 357 up on the tractors or my 4 wheeler while out and about. If it gets so bad that a 22 full of stingers or velocitors can't keep the rabbits backed down I think I'll move to a less dangerous place.

I'll have to admit that it's a good feeling to be able to enjoy being on my Bota and get to do some plinking at the same time though.

[Butch]

Santa smile upon me....:D

I got a Henry 17HMR Varmint rifle with a 3X9 Leopold wide view scope. I have a mount for it on my Bota...:cool:

[steve l]

ive got gun rack that was mounted in middle of the front seats of a cj5 that i mounted by the right door of my 9540.it is mounted to bar that goes below the windshield,i can still use the door if need to get in and out to.

[steve l]

ive got gun rack that was mounted in middle of the front seats of a cj5 that i mounted by the right door of my 9540.it is mounted to bar that goes below the windshield,i can still use the door if need to get in and out to.

i forgot to mention what kind of gun i carry.remington870 or 22magnum

[adjusterr]

Im looking for a SAGIA 12 to toat around in the tractor and inthe truck,, you know incase I get attacked by a rabbid rabbit er sumthin,,, anybody know a good dealer with good prices???

Google MD Arms They have the best price I have found on a Saiga. The also make a 20 round mag for the Saiga.

[adjusterr]

SKEETS: If you are still planning on a Saiga 12, you better start looking right away. After reading your original post, I checked out the Saiga 12 and after reading a lot of reviews and watching some videos, I decided to get one. I should have acted right away. Saiga 12's are really hard to find, especially at a reasonable price. They are imported by Russian-American Arms who advised me the government is deciding on whether or not any more Saiga 12's can be imported as they might be classified as an "assault weapon", there's that term again. I was told the decision is to be made by May 1st. My bet is they will deny any further imports. I found one Saiga 12, with some minor modifcations, that would have originally sold for a little over $500, they were asking $885, and wouldn't drop a penny. If you haven't already, Google Saiga 12 and check out the videos, this is a neat shotgun. Good luck.

[skeets]

Well I looked and looked for Saiga 12,, nothing in my price range,,HOWEVER!!!! i did find a century arms AK47 bullpup,,, it ain't half bad,, Anyway what I would like to do is get rid of the AR type sight, my eyes ain't what they use to be, and put a picciny rail for a scope maybe a red dot or a shotgun scope and maybe a laser for ahhhh the evening festivity's,,, So I figure that there is someone that has been there and done it and has some advice to offer,,,,The last AK 47 I had was Russian and that was in 69 and some SOB was shooting at us,,lol

[Kytim]

Try looking at the new Kel-tec tactical shotgun in 12ga. Its a bullpup design, pump and 14 rounds in the tube mag. Its a new design due out this month. while the barrel looks short it is 18in in length. Kel-Tec is known for polymer designs that are rugged and reliable. I know a few deputies that carry their little autos as 2nd or 3rd backups. I've had the opportunity to fire several different models that they make.


Kytim, (gun goofoff)

[284 International]

There is a company called Ultimak that makes the best railed foregrips for the AK series weapons. The fore-end rail (http://ultimak.com/buyAK.htm) is the only style, I suspect, that will work with that bullpup design.

The preferred setup on the AKs is to use the side-mount rail that is riveted to the receiver, but the bullpup won't allow that. Tapco also makes some, but is a step down from Ultimak. Neither are as good as the side-mount, but with the bullpup it isn't an option.

There are many red dot sights out, of course. Unfortunately, the ones that are markedly better than the rest are also much more expensive. Aimpoint makes a variety of high end sights, many used by military services (including the US and Canada). My favorite is the H-1. The advantages of the Aimpoint series is their durability and battery life. The H-1 has a battery life of over 5 YEARS at setting 8 (out of 12). That means you can turn it on and leave it on, so it's ready to go-all the time. It's also tiny and very, very quick. The Comp M4 is a bigger sight, uses a AA battery, and lasts 8 years (!!!) on a normal setting.

The other top-tier choice for this type of sight is the Trijicon ACOG. It is more of a "scope" albeit illuminated by 3 types of light sources. It may be tough to fit onto your fore-grip rail and get the proper eye-relief; it may work great.

Eotech makes super cool sights, and they break more often than the others I mentioned under real use. (Military and police service, where they get bonked and tossed around and into things, and handled a lot.) In comparison to the Aimpoint series their battery life is pitiful. Some prefer the reticle of the Eotech to the plain dot of the Aimpoint; in some trials I have read about the Aimpoint is slightly quicker.

If you aren't going to buy an Aimpoint, ACOG, or, to a lesser degree, the Eotech, most are all about the same level of crappy. I'd buy one from the local retailer that has a good return policy. TruGlo is probably the top choice of the lower end products. It's actually a decent sight in its own right, and I've got one on a rifle of my own.

Don't buy anything at a gun show. There are a lot of Aimpoint, ACOG and Eotech branded knockoffs, that are extremely similar to the real thing in appearance, but don't have the quality or the battery life. Only buy these from an authorized dealer. Gun shows are notorious for having products like these for sale. Even if the seller isn't aware of it, they are still ripoff and low quality products. Just buy the TruGlo instead of these knockoffs.

I wouldn't mess with any of the off-brand red dots either. The top end products are literally lifetime purchases of hand-me-down quality, that grandchildren will be able to use and enjoy with grandpa, and pass to their kids, and the TruGlo may last as long too, and isn't significantly more expensive than the cheap ones.

For a serious "truck and tractor gun" the AK or AR are both good choices. Put an Aimpoint on either of them, get some good magazines and ammunition, and shoot them as much as you can afford. For the AK anything foreign made is generally better than the American ones. For the AR, Pmags are the best. Otherwise, get GI magazines with the upgraded followers. Shoot several loads through each magazine, too. Fix any that don't work right by putting them under your tractor tire and driving back and forth across the top of it.

One more thing: Century Arms AKs have been, in the past, hit and miss as far as quality. Some are superb, and others are terrible. Bullpup conversions of standard configuration rifles are the same, and are known for poor triggers. Make sure your dealer is a standup guy and do a detailed inspection of the weapon before you take it. (One of the common things was/is for the front sight to be pressed on crooked!) Make sure to shoot it a bunch the first week or so you have it, and make sure any bugs are worked out early.

Last, take pictures so we can see what you get, and how you carry it on the Kubota! :D

[cabu]

You are all crazy !! :p

I can really imagine you all sitting on your kubotas riding on your property in high gras and shooting with two gun's at everything that move's. :)

If I would do this here in good old germany they will take everything. Gun's, tractor, land, wife, kids and place me in a location where the rooms have soft walls and my arms are in a jacket with long sleeve and fixed tight at the back...

carl

[helomech]

Try looking at the new Kel-tec tactical shotgun in 12ga. Its a bullpup design, pump and 14 rounds in the tube mag. Its a new design due out this month. while the barrel looks short it is 18in in length. Kel-Tec is known for polymer designs that are rugged and reliable. I know a few deputies that carry their little autos as 2nd or 3rd backups. I've had the opportunity to fire several different models that they make.


Kytim, (gun goofoff)

It is due out this year, but getting your hands on one will be almost impossible. There will only be two ways of getting one in the next couple years. Pure luck, and paying a crazy price on gunbroker. If you doubt that try to find a RFB, or a PMR-30, and they have both been out a while now. Kel tec is a small company, and does not put out huge numbers of guns.

[ipz2222]

cabu,, I suspect in 10 to 15 years , it will be the same for us. We fight constantly to keep the right to bear arms.

[BigT]

Last time I visited some Family down In Southern Texas. I noticed that several of the farmers had AR-15's mounted in front of them to grab easy. You can thank the illegals trying to smuggle drugs in for that.

Nothin says welcome to America better than an AR.

[Bulldog]

Tell them to wait till the south bound one cross the line before they open up on them. Maybe it would act like a scare crow in a corn field.

[Butch]

Guys.... I live in Maryland. Our State Assembly just passed a law and the Govenor is going to sign it.

Brace yourselves,

All illegal alliens in Maryland can receive in state tuition in all state supported colleges and universities. The prerequisites are the illegal parents must have paid taxes in Maryland for the previous 3 years and the student must have graduated from a Maryland high school.

Will this improve our economy with the prevelance of government jobs?

Ain't going to happen. An illegal allien, educated or otherwise, can't pass the hiring screening to even qualify for an interview.

Should not the focus be on a green card and a path to that leads to citizenship.... then we can proclaim, "Welcome to America".

Is this too simple ort am I missing something?

Butch

[Bulldog]

Butch I think you're missing the big picture here. The simple, one track minded higher educated people in our country wanted a change. They voted him in and he shares the "Yes we can" slogan with the famous construction worker Bob the Builder. If you don't know who that is he stars in a cartoon. My kids used to watch it yrs ago when they were little. Since the leader of our country has almost as much leadership quality as a small child and makes desitions like a bobble head doll would. I don't understand how you can even question the rights of a illegal soon to be citizen. A natural born citizen is suppose to step aside, lay down and be a doormat for the rest of the world to wipe their stinky feet on as they come in and take everything that we have worked for. We should be happy to have our taxes get spent on such a worth while cause.

Disclaimer:

The above opinions are not how Bulldog thinks.
Bulldog is being a smart ass and thinks the change SUCKS.
I think it's about time to say the hell with the rest of the world and it's time to care for our own. Tell the rest of the world to kiss our ass. After the warm embrace is over they need to go back where they came from and to drag a couple of their buddies back with them as they cross the border as they go. Take up the "welcome" mat and replace it with a "Back Off" mud flap.

[Titan Tom]

Back in the beginning of this thread I belive Skeets was talking about getting a Saiga.

Truth be told, I have never thought much about Saigas, I always thought that they were an answer to a question that nobody asked. I mean a 12 gauge AK! Who would have thought?

However, my opinion is born of ignorance, as I have never had the opportunity to handle one. I'm a 'gun' guy, and at one time even owned 1/2 of a gun shop. Even though I have bought & sold a butt-load of shotguns, in my narrow opinion shotguns begin and end with two...all my shotgun needs are met with a tried & true Remington 870 pump, and I have a newly-aquired original Belgian-made Browning Sweet Sixteen autoloader just in case some Landed-Gentry type ever invites me on an upland hunt on his Manor, as if that's likely to ever happen!

A trip last year to Russia allowed me an opportunity to at least see how the Saiga may have come about at all...

My wife & I went on a WWII-themed trip to Russia last year, visiting battlefields & musuems of the Great Patriotic War, as the Russiams call it. We visited Moscow, Volgograd (ex-Stalingrad), and St Petersburfg (ex-Leningrad). Being a 'gun guy' I was itching to visit a Russian gun shop, if even such a thing exisited.

As it turned out, the last hotel we stayed in (in St Petersburg) was situated directly over a Russian gun shop. On the last evening of our trip, I spent about an hour looking through the shop and discussing with the guys there the avalaible hardware and the laws governing their purchase & use. There were LOTS of Saigas on display.

Russian gun ownership goes something like this...

Airguns of all types are available for direct purchase, as are adaptations of standard Soviet pistols & revolvers modified to shoot a funky 45-cal low-velocity cartridge loaded with a big rubber ball. These 'rubber ball' shooters are made up from Makarovs, Tokarev TT-33's, and even M1895 Nagant revolvers. Likewise, real models of these guns (with many of the Tokarevs bearing WWII dates on the frames) are converted to .177 cal pellet guns using standard 12 gram CO2 cartridges. I was DYING to buy one of the Tokarev air guns, and was assured that I would have no problem getting one out of Russia, but at it was built on a 'real' serialized TT-33 frame, I was worried that some US Customs agent may not have so benevolent of a view.

They also sold quite a few real firearms, mostly shotguns, plenty of rifles (including many semi-auto AK varients, just like are sold here), but no 'real' handguns were displayed.

If you want to own a 'real' firearm in Russia, the process starts by applying for a shotgun permit. If you are approved, the Saiga is pretty much what everybody starts with, as they are relatively inexpensive compared to others offered. If you own your shotgun for 5 years, and have not commited any transgressions with it, you can now move on to a rifle, once another permitting application is submitted and processed. Again, the semi-auto AK varients rule, as they are inexpensive in comparison to other rifles.

Which brings me full circle to my theory of how the Saiga was born. I belive that it was developed to serve the Russian civilian market, and not ours, as a pure export product, as I had previously believed. As the old Izvhesk (now Izhmash) arsenel is geared toward AK manufacture, the development of a shotgun varient seems a natural course. So end's Tom's take on the matter, your mileage may vary.

I'll be off to a gunshow later this morning, if I spot any Saiga's I'll post a price report.

Take Care,
Tom

[Titan Tom]

Back from the show, and as far as Saigas go, I'm completely sticker-shocked...

A 'regular' 12 gauge, flat mag, was $825.

One with a funky drum mag...$1200!

Prices seemed a bit down on the older 'classic & collector' pieces (my specialty), and I'm sure this is due to the economy. Prices remain stable, meaning high, on 'black' guns and all ammo.

I bought a 9mm Canadian Inglis Hi Power, and made a deal to pick up a really nice older S&W pin & recessed Model 25 45 Long Colt in it's presentation case when I get back from California next week.

Say what you will, Cabu, I say "God Bless America"!

I know that you're going to be touring the American West pretty soon, if you could ever find your way to Florida I'd be happy to get you to a range and let you play with some nice toys...


Take Care,
Tom

[grimace]

Butch I would like to see that mount.
Thanks John

[cabu]

... Cabu...if you could ever find your way to Florida I'd be happy to get you to a range and let you play with some nice toys...


Are you talking about "toys" :cool: like this: (Cabu 2nd from left)

http://www.cabu.de/assets/images/Pz2.jpg


Check my "Hobby":

http://www.cabu.de/html/hammelburg.html

First Lieutenant Cabu, Platoon leader of 70 Infantery-Guard's http://www.simer.edu.vn/forum/images/smilies/news/soldier-2.gif :

http://www.cabu.de/html/heuberg.html


Regarding your discussion I would like to mention, that nearly everybody of you is an alien to that continent... My root's are since 500 year's (or more) in Germany. But I have no idea what it mean to "be" a german. As long somebody support the community you live in, I say "welcome, and nice to see you". But I do not like fanatic's and lazy's. I don't care about the passport, color or religion. I care about helping each other...

Carl :cool:

[BigT]

Cabu
NIce Hobby.
The affairs in America are unfortunate in the south. I have some experiences on Americas sothern border.
Some of the people sneaking in have back packs FULL of drugs. These folks bring nasty drugs that kill people and ruin lives. They arnt going to stop and say "nice to see you". They will do anything.
Theres two ways to do things- the right way or the wrong way. When they do it the wrong way, makes me wonder "why?".
I can rationilize toting some heat.
Saiga might not be a bad choice. or perhaps one of your toys.


T

[HickoryNut]

You are all crazy !! :p

I can really imagine you all sitting on your kubotas riding on your property in high gras and shooting with two gun's at everything that move's. :)

carl Who? Us? ........yep thats me a right wing radical whatever they called us....

[cabu]

...whatever they called us....

I am with you, as long everbody respect the culture of the other. So many way's to go and nobody knows which is best. But there is only one way to civilisation.


carl

[Butch]

Amen Cabu!

The way I see it is so long as "other" beliefs and cultures do not infringe upon my rights, safety of my family, or present a clear and present danger to MY country.... they can do pretty much anything they want to.

After all "tolerance" is what makes America great!:D

[skeets]

I have been to 3 shows and like the man said the Saiga 12's are out of sight although I did find several Saiga .410;s that were resonable. and now with the hope and change crowd they are trying to outlaw some imported shot guns,, hummm kinda makes ya wonder huh.. I think everybody should own at least one "BLACK GUN" as the politicos here in the Burgh call them. Just MHO you understand,,

[Bulldog]

If you want to be able to go and by any kind of gun you want you should check this video out. It's long but worth your time to watch it all.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5vAViVDO7A

[HickoryNut]

My vote is a scabbard with a "Circuit Judge" Tall and Proud:D:D:D

[Butch]

Black guns.... I may have to take a walk... but I know where some VERY sophisticated hardware MAY be found in a real pinch....;)

[cabu]

I was so wrong with Germans:

Today I read in the newspapers that a farmer was plowing his land. When ever some seagull's came near he shot them with his pellet gun. Accidently he hit a stork. He kicked it several times and plowed it under.
The police took his rifle and he was charged for disobey the game law (storks are protected) and the Protection of Animals Act (shoot and kick!).

Strange people here in good old Germany. :eek: The farmer is 75 years old...

By the way: It is still not allowed to plow and shoot at the same time here in germany !!

carl

[Bulldog]

It sounds like we have similar problems.

I know the farmer didn't turn himself in so I assume that someone had their nose in the farmer business where it didn't belong.

You said that you can't plow and shoot. Does that mean no shooting from moving tractor or can you stop the tractor and then shoot?